Wouldn't pay too much attention to deep stack no ante winrate. It's a very small part of the game and heavily skewed by a few recs donating some stacks.

More relevant is post ante bb50+ winrate. 5-6bb/100 is your solid winning reg, 10bb/100 is your super crusher.

Also when looking at this data I'd filter out SKO/PKO tournaments since it's correct to make -chipev calls in them and that will affect your bb winrate.

But you also get people making -cEV calls chasing your bounty so I'd imagine it works out fairly neutral in the end. No data just theory.

David u look so old on this picture

So I've been on a 10k downswing recently and I'm looking for big leaks in my game and I guess I found a most basic one.

blinds bb200+

60bb+

21-35

10-20

up to 9

^^winrates way too small especially very short
Looks like your push/fold play is leaking

I don't know if that's the case... I filtered hands I shoved preflop with 15bb or less..
went all in




called all in




This doesn't seem very accurate though, maybe because it's just 2k hands?

I changed HDs so I don't have the data for last year atm


So I need some help here. If I have bad stats if we consider all hands but good stats if we consider only the times I shoved, does that mean I should be shoving a lot more? hmm like the saying "if you're only getting it in good you're doing it wrong".

Nice conclusion!

If you would play only KK+ and then filter for only hands you played your winrate would be even bigger.

That would mean you should just play KK+ because when you play your winrate is very good?

Well, obv not. But I think I have a pretty decent preflop shoving range always considering position, table aggressiveness, shoving over the range I'm supposed to regarding Nash when I see the table is too tight, narrowing my range when I see they are calling stations, etc. I don't know, I've come to a point where I realize I'm obviously doing something wrong but I can't figure out what it is by myself.

step 1 : shove more suited ****
step 2 : shove less off suit ace rag ****
step 3 : profit ??

there is nothing to be gained from the sample you provided. get together 150k hands then evaluate

yeah 2k hands what is that?
If we have 169 poker hands that means that you have seen only 12 flops per hand. And since this combines 45c and 45d etc. you might have had a flushdraw or not, completely random in here.

"Yeah I've seen 10 flops w 44, and I might even had a set"

over 250k hands bb > 200 all stacks

0-10bb


11-21bb


22-40bb

From someone that u might run into at the tables so we can compare and maybe learn a thing or two
filter BB >200 :

0-10BB


11-21


22-40




edit: Realised I didnt put EB bb/100 too... well total EV bb/100 on all position with the same BB >200 is 5.32 while bb/100 is 6.48 means I ran good?

small sample. but my roi has been terrible, -40% after 400 tournaments. 15% itm. i generally am slightly tigher than nash charts for pushing/calling. i don't study mtt's, don't know icm. would you guys say i have a reasonable chance at being a winner in tournaments?

400 tournaments lol. Don't even look at ROI until you've played 5k and even that is basically nothing in the grand scheme.

After 100k or so hands if you have a decent winrate you can be fairly confident you're at least a slight winner. Unfortunately due to the way payouts work it can take thousands and thousands of games for that edge to materialize into profits.

For reference, these are my winrates over a period of a few months during which I was slightly losing.


This doesn't mean that bb/100 is useless. It's absolutely the fastest and best way to determine how "good" someone really is. It's a great indicator of whether you're playing bad or running bad. You just have to remember to not get frustrated when it doesn't immediately turn into real money. In fact there's no guarantee it ever will.

They're pretty sick.
Is it a large sample?
Whats your ABI?

I didn't think it was possible to be profitable from SB

You need more sample.
What we can see is that you have for sure leaks at the middle stage of MTT's (0-25bb and 25-60bb), your evbb and bb/100 are bad.
Try to work on that.


I have no idea if we can trust that BB/100 winrate in MTT's but here are mine on 2k games and 238k hands over the last few months. For the following graphs (60% on stars - 40% Party, PS.fr, Winamax, Ipoker...) and ABI 25 - ROI 42%, maybe someone can see relations between these numbers. Also I'd be interested to see these kind of graph from an "mtt's crusher".

60-500bb:
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25-60bb:
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0-25bb:
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0-25bb RESTEAL: (Guess I'm running quite good and I'm very surprise by the numbers, is it because of the antes and fold equity? see the red line)
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LOL 4 years later...
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Hey guys so on holdem manager 2 when i click on filter stack size i see

0-10bb
11-15bb
16-25bb
26-40bb
41-60bb
61-80bb
81-100bb
101-150bb
151-250bb
251-350bb
350bb +


So let say you have 5000 tournament sample. Does the number at the bottom which is what it shows for bb/100 even matter? I check that number at the end of my sessions. Or not at all since it includes when everyone is deep stack etc? Someone mentioned that number should always be positive due to lot of bad players earlier on etc.


So completely ignore that bb/100 on the holdem manager 2 tab? So for each of these levels, so basically 5-6bb would be considered pretty good and 10bb+ at any level thus 11-15bb, 16-25bb, 26-40bb would be crushing? But which bb level is pretty much the most important to look at? Im assuming everything that is 60bb and under but mostly 40bb and under? Thus the stack sizes of 0-10bb 11-15bb 16-25bb 26-40bb are the ones that should be looked at most? I see this in the stack size option on holdem manager 2.


Also someone mentioned certain tourneys u should not include when looking at bb/100. You mean like bounty tournaments right since those players would play much looser due to it? So basically all freezeout tournaments would fit but what about 180 mttsng though? I play quite a bit of 180 mttsng so if i have 5000 games at this sample, well that gives a good idea of how one person should be doing? So does bb/100 in 180 mttsng mean anything? I assume it has to but how much compared to regular mtt? My thoughts would be wouldnt it mean more in 180 man mttsng than say tournaments because there is much more variance in tournaments? Or they are the same etc? If i post a screenshot of my stack size with the bb/100 and the stack sizes, would you guys be able to tell if someone is running bad etc? Basically my bb/100 seems to be around 5 or a bit more for each bb level that is 40bb and under. Its higher at stack size of 40bb and up etc and this is like 6 figures in total hands etc.

anyone can answer this?


If i post my stack size tab from hem2, would you guys be able to tell me if im indeed running bad etc? Basically i want to know if i should be winning because my bb/100 in the stack sizes are pretty much positive.


Almost all the games i played are mainly 180 mans... the 8s and the 3.50 rebuys. I do play tournaments as well. I know back then when i use to play single table sngs, well holdem manager 1 would show my EV so it shows how much i should be up/down but since mttsng and tournaments don't do this, well people mention look at the bb/100 etc.

Give up poker Pauly. 1457 questions and you still are clueless about basic things. Every single post you make is a question, never seen you try to help anyone. Not sure why anyone should help you.

I don't understand what difference it makes if you find that 5BB/100 is a good winrate at MTTs or not? You have to look at specific types of spot and figure out where you might be leaking.


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Just look at your $ per game over a large sample and be done with it.

Also do some filters to find out what your best game is and focus on that. I make $9 per game playing absolutely everything, but if I filter for non turbos with a buyin below 40 I am making $18 per game.