The Allen "Chainsaw" Kessler Absurdity Containment Thread

[doublejoker]

OK, Please take your time and evaluate the 3 tournament structures I am posting below, and choose which you would prefer. Take into account the Buyin, juice, starting chipstack, and amount of play.

Please be objective, and post your reasoning behind why you selected the event you did.


All 3 play out in 3 days.


Tournament #1 Borgata Deepstack. 607 players $1500 into prizepool, $150 fees

$30K starting chips
About
37% make it to Day 2 after playing 11 50 minute levels with shuffle machines

Day 1 is 50 minute levels

Day 2 is 1 hour levels

Day 3 is 75 minute levels

$30K starting chips

1st - $25 - $50
2nd - $50 - $100
3rd - $75 - $150
4th - $100 - $200
5th $25 $150 - $300
6th $50 $200 - $400
7th $50 $250 - $500
8th $75 $300 - $600
9th $75 $400 - $800
10th $100 $500 - $1000
11th $100 $600 - $1200
12th $200 $800 - $1600
13th $200 $1000 - $2000
14th $300 $1200 - $2400
15th $300 $1500 - $3000
16th $400 $2000 - $4000
17th $400 $2500 - $5000
18th $500 $3000 - $6000
19th $500 $4000 - $8000
20th $1000 $5000 - $10000
21st $1000 $6000 - $12000
22nd $2000 $8000 - $16000
23rd $2000 $10000 - $20000
24th $3000 $12000 - $24000
25th $3000 $15000 - $30000

Tournament #2 Commerce LA Open Main event 286 players $1940 +135 in fees

About
19% make it to Day 2 after playing 9 1 hour levels.


$10K starting chips 1 hour levels no shuffle machines

90 min levels at final table

25/50
50/100
100/200
100/200 +25
150/300 +25
200/400 +50
250/500 +50
300/600 +75
400/800 +100
500/1000 +100
600/1200 +200
800/1600 +200
900/1800 +300
1000/2000 +300
1200/2400 +400
1500/3000 +500
2000/4000 +500
2500/5000 +500
3k/6k +1k
4k/8k +1k
5k/10k +1k
6k/12k +2k
8k/16k +2k
9k/18k +3k
10k/20k +3k
12k/24k +4k
15k/30k +5k
20k/40k +5k
25k/50k +5k
30k/60k +10k
40k/80k +10k
50k/100k +10k
60k/120k +20k

Tournament #3 Venetian Deepstack Main Event 260 players $2292 plus $218 in fees

$20Kstarting chips

About
32%advance to day 2 after playing 8
90 minute levels with shuffle machines.

50-100
75-150
100-200
100-200/25
200-400/25
300-600/50
400-800/75
500-1000/100
600-1200/100
800-1600/200
1000-2000/300
1200-2400/300
1500-3000/400
2000-4000/500
3000-6000/500
4000-8000/1000
5000-10000/1000
6000-12000/2000
8000-16000/2000
10000-20000/3000

[p3rc4]

in b4 absurdity

[benza13]

i'll wait til someone does the math on roughly how long i can fold until i am forced in by the bb.

[smokrokflock]

is there an answer that will make you less annoying?

[Matt Savage]

From the LA Poker Open Thread

Brainsaw, the formatting is not ideal for your analysis the blinds/ Antes are 1st Players left at the end of the level is the next number, Big Blinds at start of level, and then Big Blinds at end of level.

A few Notes

1. Not ONE complaint from the players (Stepfords) about the structure and there were MANY compliments including from Adam Levy, Melissa Hayden, Amit Makija, Vivek Rajkumar, and Barry Greenstein, (NONE of them Cashed BTW). It is easy to just get the people that cashed to give accolades and all of them thought the Chaisaws complaints were ridiculous (Including @PaulESmith1970 and @Bru009 Brian Brubaker.

2. We only went below 50 big blinds twice and both times only to 49 BB's

3. Day 1 lasted 10.75 hours (started on time with 15 minute breaks every two hours and a 1 hour dinner break), Day 2 lasted 10.33 hours going from 55 to 9 players

4. Final Table Lasted 6 hours 9 to 3 players and the chop was made with 95 Big Blinds Average and could have gone MUCH Longer as Tommy Luong and Jeff Clayton both had well over 100 BB's.

5. My structures do and will continue to focus on giving people play where it matters most....Mid to Late

6. Please re read article

http://www.twoplustwo.com/magazine/i...ournaments.php


Seriously Allen YOU are the ONLY one that complained about this and in the LA Poker Open I received a lot of compliments!

PLAYERS START WITH 10,000 IN TOURNAMENT CHIPS
LEVEL SMALL BLIND BIG BLIND ANTE Players BB Start BB End
286 Players Started
1 25 50 - 272 200 210
2 50 100 - 254 105 113
3 100 200 - 201 57 71
4 100 200 25 171 71 84
5 150 300 25 144 50 65
6 200 400 50 102 49 70
60 MINUTE DINNER BREAK
7 250 500 50 84 56 68
8 300 600 75 72 57 66
REMOVE $25 CHIPS
9 400 800 100 55 49 65
10 500 1,000 100 43 52 66
END OF DAY 1-RETURN SATURDAY, 11/21/09 AT 2:00 PM
11 600 1,200 200 36 55 66
12 800 1,600 200 30 50 60
13 900 1,800 300 28 53 57
14 1,000 2,000 300 22 51 65
15 1,200 2,400 400 16 54 74
REMOVE $100 CHIPS
16 1,500 3,000 500 13 60 73
60 MINUTE DINNER BREAK
17 2,000 4,000 500 10 55 72
18 2,500 5,000 500 7 57 81
REMOVE $500 CHIPS
19 3,000 6,000 1,000 6 68 79
20 4,000 8,000 1,000 5 60 72
END OF DAY 2-RETURN SUNDAY, 11/22/09 AT NOON
21 5,000 10,000 1,000 3 57 95
22 6,000 12,000 2,000
23 8,000 16,000 2,000
24 9,000 18,000 3,000
25 10,000 20,000 3,000
26 12,000 24,000 4,000
REMOVE $1,000 CHIPS
27 15,000 30,000 5,000
28 20,000 40,000 5,000
29 25,000 50,000 5,000
REMOVE $5,000 CHIPS
30 30,000 60,000 10,000
31 40,000 80,000 10,000
32 50,000 100,000 10,000



Levels until the Final Table will last 60 minutes.
Final Table will be 90 minute levels. Redraw will happen at the end of Day One, 27, 18 and 10 players. Day Two will play 10 levels or until the Final Table is reached, whichever comes first.

[mlagoo]

chainsaw,

seriously, stop littering mttc with this ****.

[doublejoker]

Half the field out by level 5 (one hour levels) for a $2,000 buyin event seems very high to me. I may be in the minority on this.

[areaman]

well, i would assume that if more people are gone on day one, there is more play into day 2 and day 3?

and the less people gone on day 1 would mean the structures are quicker towards the end?

does that seem logical?

if so, id take LA because id rather not waste my time mincashing....but you know....to each his own.

[Matt Savage]

Originally Posted by doublejoker

Half the field out by level 5 (one hour levels) for a $2,000 buyin event seems very high to me. I may be in the minority on this.

35% of the Field was in through satellites and I am sure that has something to do with it.

[LT0826]

I don't mind any of the three structures but I like the Venetian's the least. Really I have to pick the Commerce event because of the lower juice. Borgata may have a slightly better structure depending on what you are looking for in a structure but really, I prefer to bust day one then to make it to day 2 and not cash if I have a choice. And lower juice is better for all players - you can always adapt to the structure at hand.

[nutshot2]

Yeah word my chainsaw containment thread was insta locked but this one's open.

[timex]

I don't understand the mentality chainsaw and many others have in MTTs, touranments should all start with their normal number of chips(5k-50k or w.e), start the blinds at 100/200/25, and then have a sick structure after that, in Amsterdam tournaments had like 25-25, 25-50, 50-75, 50-100, 75-150, 100-200 and 150-300 before antes kicked in(with only 3500 starting stack in the one event), and then became crapshoots after that by constantly cutting out levels, yet somehow I think chainsaw would have preferred those structures.

You're supposed to be playing this game to make money, not to have as many hours as possible logged at the table

[doublejoker]

Originally Posted by LT0826

I don't mind any of the three structures but I like the Venetian's the least. Really I have to pick the Commerce event because of the lower juice. Borgata may have a slightly better structure depending on what you are looking for in a structure but really, I prefer to bust day one then to make it to day 2 and not cash if I have a choice. And lower juice is better for all players - you can always adapt to the structure at hand.

Thats why I posted all the factors. It was nearly impossible to find out the juice at Venetian since it wasnt printed on any literature there. I backed into it from the prizepool information on the clock.

[Matt Savage]

Originally Posted by timex

I don't understand the mentality chainsaw and many others have in MTTs, touranments should all start with their normal number of chips(5k-50k or w.e), start the blinds at 100/200/25, and then have a sick structure after that, in Amsterdam tournaments had like 25-25, 25-50, 50-75, 50-100, 75-150, 100-200 and 150-300 before antes kicked in(with only 3500 starting stack in the one event), and then became crapshoots after that by constantly cutting out levels, yet somehow I think chainsaw would have preferred those structures.

You're supposed to be playing this game to make money, not to have as many hours as possible logged at the table

Your awfully smart for your age!

Mike, when do you turn 21 so you can make it out to the Commerce?

[timex]

Originally Posted by Matt Savage

Your awfully smart for your age!

Mike, when do you turn 21 so you can make it out to the Commerce?

Sept 11