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02-07-2014 , 12:36 AM
We have some additional stats with respect to the userIDs listed in the first post. I'll translate this recent post from the GipsyTeam thread:

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[quote name='AlexOm' date='6.2.2014' post='2838745']
I've conducted initial analysis of PartyPoker [stats].

Preliminary conclusions:

1) There were instances of Multi-accounting. We've discovered at least three pairs of accounts, that had been playing exactly the same [tournaments] during a very long time period.

2) At the very least 14 final table have been played by two players of the Headquarters. Three players were on at least two final tables. "At least" because I foolishly filtered for 9 players, having assumed that Party FTs have 9 people (until recently they had 10).
All this on the distance of approximately 5000 tournaments.

Amusingly enough, previously Evgeniy [TeachMePls] to my question with respect to the number of "common" final tables replied that there had been only 5-10 with two [of his] players and none involving three players on a distance of 40000 (!) tournaments.

3) It is also "amusing" that two accounts of the same player played simultaneously on several of these final tables. I wonder if teamplay had taken place in those cases. :capt:

4) At the same time it appears that there were no direct order for all the players to play exactly the same schedule and from all 12 accounts. After the preliminary analysis we can see the "maximum load" in 15-25% of the tournaments, while 6 accounts loaded up in 40-50% of the tournaments.
This would have been the case if the players played independently, simply picking tournaments in the same range and periodically colliding with each other at the tables.

Accordingly, some open questions remain:
1) Were there any other Party accounts at the Headquarters, aside from the listed above? This is a very important question.
2) Were there teamplay [softplay] involved when two different players happened to be at the same table.

In addition I also have a question to alexeiv.

Respond for yourself [alexeiv appeared in this thread before stating that, even though he had been previously associated with the Headquarters, he had never personally been involved in multi-accounting or teamplay].

Here we have two accounts: alexeiv2000 and makatura13.

1) Why account makatura13 hasn't played a single tournament when alexeiv2000 didn't play?

2) On April 21, 2013 these two accounts played a $20 tournament in which they took the 2nd and the 7th place. Another Headquarters account took the fifth [no PUN intended ]



Let's record a VOD with the discussion of the events of the late stages of this final table. In the format of online conversation: you and one of our coaches. Ask all sorts of questions.
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02-07-2014 , 08:56 AM
i want to know what the russian pun was Great detective work going on here and I hope there will be justice!
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02-07-2014 , 09:34 AM
Asj, there was no Russian pun, purely American : as I mentioned before, my own comments, not part of the quote, were in brackets.

Hopefully, this "detective work" of my colleagues proves worthwhile.
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02-07-2014 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Asjbaaaf
i want to know what the russian pun was Great detective work going on here and I hope there will be justice!
"Taking the fifth"....as in, asserting his fifth amendment rights against self incrimination.
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02-07-2014 , 12:09 PM
i thought he was talking about a fifth of vodka :|
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02-07-2014 , 08:01 PM
I guess, going off topic is not only the Russian problem . Just to update, alexeiv, as of now, still ignoring questions directed at him.
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02-07-2014 , 09:47 PM
Oooh, sorry. From New Zealand so not very familiar with amendments and all that. thought it might be an awesome pun lost in translation. sorry for the derail.
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02-08-2014 , 11:14 PM
No worries. A bit of derailing would not hurt, especially if it keeps the thread alive, while waiting for something new substantive to come in
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02-14-2014 , 02:10 PM
Wow. Just saw this thread from the Ghosting thread ( which i follow regularly).

I play the mixed events on Stars and there aRe TONS of Russians, but I had mostly assumed they just enjoy mixed games in Russia.

I would say an average table for a 215$ mixed event would have 4/8 Russians.

Any reason to believe the Russians are ghosting mixed events?

Also team play is very dangerous in hi-lo split games.
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02-14-2014 , 03:11 PM
From my personal point of view, I think you should not worry too much about high stakes mixed tourneys/games on Stars. Stars are very good in identifying cheating and from what I heard they had been closely monitoring all high stakes action for years. You are right - Russian do like mixed limit games a loy and quite a few are very good at them. As you've read, this topic does not really focus on Stars with their huge fields but more on secondary rooms.

At the same time I dont think anyone can guarantee that there is no cheating going on elsewhere - it's always a possibility when there is something to be gained.
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02-14-2014 , 05:36 PM
#SochiProblems
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04-07-2014 , 09:04 AM
something new?
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04-07-2014 , 09:34 AM
There actually have been quite a few developments with respect to analyzing database and identifying/confirming multi-accounts. I did not have a chance to get to translating and reposting this information yet. Coming soon
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04-07-2014 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Asjbaaaf
Oooh, sorry. From New Zealand so not very familiar with amendments and all that. thought it might be an awesome pun lost in translation. sorry for the derail.
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05-21-2014 , 08:27 AM
any news?
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05-28-2014 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Infinity1
any news?
Yeah a bunch of grinders are taking Max's stolen funds for WSOP backing this summer. Nothing changes.
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05-29-2014 , 03:34 AM
Lol ^^^
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05-29-2014 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by gilmore38
Lol ^^^
it's not funny. it's sad.
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06-01-2014 , 01:15 AM
Hyperbole and hysteria ITT (lately at least). Mad he didn't buy your action possibly? Looks like you have a bone to pick.

(PS...I have nothing to do with Katz, have never spoken to or dealt with him. I just think you're annoying.)
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07-06-2014 , 10:10 AM
and nothing done...
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