I have not engaged in this activity with Sorel. I would not engage
in this activity ever. I am voluntarily cooperating completely with Full Tilt
in an investigation of these alleged activities.

It is a pun. The lowest form of humor.

well that solves it!

nothing to see here, move along...

I figured they would and I'd be shocked if they didn't. There's so many ways to circumvent those checks if you tried though.

I'd like to hear something from Sorel, thorladen, Roman, cdbr3799, or Adi.

If I was in their shoes and either a) knew the conversation was fabricated or b) knew it was real but had no involvement in it, I'd be posting as soon as possible.

If I was in their shoes and either a) knew it was real, and knew I participated in a form of cheating 18 months ago or b) didn't know anything about it, but couldn't say with 100% certainty that it was real or fake, I'd likely not be posting anything at all at this point.

Maybe those generalizations aren't fair to make, I don't know. I hate when people assume silence = guilt, but I know a few of those guys (not including Sorel) are active members on 2p2 and have likely at least heard of this thread and, to me at least, if I was not involved in any cheating I would have already posted something to that effect.

The reason I don't include Sorel in the above is because it is likely that anything he posts won't be believed anyways because of his shady history. While an explanation from Sorel would be ideal, it wouldn't surprise me if he is just going to keep his mouth shut.

Also, it is possible thorladen has no knowledge of this thread at the moment. I remember once trying to get in touch with him over a weekend and he was difficult to reach because of other things in his life. To my knowledge he doesn't grind 2p2 nearly as much as we all do.

Can you address the legitimacy of the chat log? Thanks for addressing so many questions, you're free to go.

well thanks for at least posting something.. can you speak to the validity of the chat log at least?

I can't tell for certain if you're being sarcastic. However, I don't think he should be left off the hook so easily. It's easy to give a reply like he just gave. Look at Roger Clemons, he lied to the courts about his steroid use because he thought it'd be his "easiest way out." If people are willing to lie to U.S. courts, then I don't think people would have much problem lying on a twoplustwo message forum. With that being said, I hope thor is telling the truth. Really, he could start by giving a much more thorough explanation for how he conducted himself in this chatlog. Over on pocketfives, Nat Arem (n82) was quoted as saying that he used to talk with thor via messagener all of the time back in the day. Nat is a very smart person and Nat insured everyone that this was indeed thor in the chat convo because he said thor has a very distinctive way of writing when using messenger and it would take a complete expert to replicate that type of writing. Nat is an Ivy (I thinK?) league graduate and has been a very prominenet figure in the poker world for the past 5 years. Nat just doesn't go around making stuff like this up. I was actually quite shocked to see Nat get involved like this and not sit back and watch it unfold being that he's good friends with Thor (or was?) and has stayed at Thor's house before when visiting Thor with other poker friends of his. But for the sake of keeping the games clean and ethical, I'm glad Nat decided to step in and share this information with everyone.

lol fire_squadaments

wat

Here was Nat's official Reply,

"I don't have too much to add to this except to say that I believe it's a real convo. Whether thor was leading him on or not, not sure. But I've talked to thor online many times (not as much recently, but over the years it has been many times) and he has a distinctive writing style. If someone made up that chat, I want to hire them as a writer because they did a fantastic job of making it sound like thor. So whatever that's worth. I certainly hope thor wouldn't seriously get involved in a big operation like this.

For what it's worth, I was at thor's house in upstate NY in the spring of 2006. Way back in the day as far as multi-accounting stuff goes. And I remember that at least five guys were playing in the sunday tournaments (ozzy, bush, thor, smokey, etc). I remember that Smokey and someone else (can't remember who) were in the Stars 100r at the same time and then they got put on the same table. Smokey went downstairs to play so they wouldn't be in the same room. Later on, they were playing next to each other when they were no longer in the same tournaments. There was a fair amount of advice and discussion going on (ie, "hey, what do you guys do here when you whiff the flop and he bets into you?" -- general questions about what to do in situations, usually after they happened) but, to be honest, I don't really consider that to be cheating. To me, that's just learning although I'm sure some of the poker purists will go nuts at the idea of "more than one player to a hand" stuff. I actually have pics of this day here. So I guess long story short, I've seen some of these guys on the non-Sorel side of this in some situations where they easily could have outright cheated (ie, share cards when at the same table) and they didn't cheat."

http://www.pocketfives.com/f7/tldr%3...13/index4.html

I guess thor not denying the authenticity of the conversation/chat log is a good validation that it is actually genuine...

hmmm interesting.. would really like to see some more answers from thor but im sure he'll be quiet during this FTP investigation

Cliffs?

I wrote it, but I didn't do it.

no offense but a thread like this pops up and u wait until this long to speak up and defend yourself speaks volumes of how "innocent" u are.

i mean, sorel, chris, rich, and whoever else was involved arent stepping up to the plate... i know if i were ever accused of this sort of thing the first thing i would do is get on the forum and completely deny the allegations... not wait until page 12

You're doing it wrong

Anyone else remember this?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...p-750k-324690/

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http://www.pocketfives.com/f7/tldr%3...ml#post5698271

this whole policy/mentality of "i wasn't gonna post about this" when you're being accused of some shady **** is always really confusing to me. i mean what he's described is perfectly reasonable and believable, and seems to clear his name. why not just post this a few hours after the thread pops up?

Maybe some people don't sit on forums 24/7?

yeah, but this has been out for days, and when you play online poker for a living, even if you dont browse 2p2 very much, you have friends that do, who are going to say "hey dude, youre getting slaughtered in this thread, you should say something." i dunno.

Don't be absurd, every true baller sits on forums 24/7.

I think the "I wasn't gonna post about this" says that he knew about the thread for a while before posting.

i sit on the forums 24/7