If you come 2nd if every single MTT you play you will have lost chips too, so yeah that's pretty meaningless.

^does this apply to normal speed tournaments? What if the structure is like a typical 888 daily tournament (~30bbs avg late in tournanent)? The above applies I guess. **** just realized my "with antes" EV BB/100 is 4bb/100 at 888 $55 tournaments over lol sample tho (26k hands). That 10bb/100 thing obv comes from the 4r 3r 5r that is super soft. I suck at filtering in pt4

One more question: 2k hands in the BB, do we need to add 2000bbs to EVbb/100?

No, because putting money in before we see our cards is the main way we lose chips in poker. Fighting to overcome Blinds and Antes is the whole point of the game!

Does BB/100 on MTTs really matter? Serious question, not being sarcastic.

I grind low stakes on 6 sites; according to HEM on 2016; PS 2.45/100; 888 12.45/100; Carbon 18.09/100; Party 14.88/100; Titan 11.43/100; FTP 10.51/100

Those numbers seem ok, but I'm almost break even (up 1k I think)

Sample size? Massive diff between PS and other sites wtf

It does. It may seem irrevelant results-wise because other factors count so much more, as winning important pots in late stages of tournaments. But it can tell you if you are in the right path. So yes, it's very valuable.

One very sick thing I would like to share, btw.. My highest and my lowest peaks of variance were higher than pokerdope suggested possible, both for the highest peak and the lowest. And it's not a big sample, considering it makes thousands of simulations. Basically I have "one" simulation, with the numbers exceeding the limits in both sides. So probably (and I'm very certain about it at this point) pokerdope uses a wrong method.

If its gone over the limits for both high and low then its quite likely you just under or overestimated your ROI I think.

this good?

poker

omfg. Is this yours? What is your total sample? Is it profitable overall?

yea its mine, i've never looked at bb/100 before and this thread made me curious, I just graphed my entire database but it is missing a 50k score I had playing on a different comp, but that was on FTP and my Stars account has always been rigged

So it's a negative result (-25k) for 12k games with 5bb/100. This is quite interesting. This confused me even more about the relevance of bb/100 and how big variance is. 12k sample is a solid one.

If a player has a +ve bb/100 in tournaments it is likely that they are profitable. It would be your best guess if there was no other information but as mentioned in earlier posts you need a lot tighter a context to know if this player has a winning edge in tournaments.

A bb is an unknown quantity compared to the final $ result. You simply do need to know at what stage the tournament is in to get any useful information from it. You need to filter for 1 or two specific levels really, the more levels in the filter the less usefully accurate the bb/100 score is. As the tournament progresses the average stack in bb's drops and it gets more difficult to have a high value.

In some ways even chip ev can be more useful as before the final table most of the prize money has not be allocated and the 'icm' like value of a starting stack amount of chips is still worth quite close to it's starting 1st hand value. You can't say that about a bb, even if you avoid final table hands unless you know how many chips it is worth.

As the tournament progresses the average stacks increase as the players fall but the value of each starting stack block of chips stays roughly the same until payouts are made reducing it. The non ev-adjusted chip value isn't much use though as if you plot a graph for these you find that the only time you get to keep any and go positive is when you actually win a tournament. Perhaps you may be able to deduce how good a player is when 2 and 3 handed by a positive or neg result, but this will need many, many thou games to steady pout.

I think you can have a pretty high bb/100 and still be a losing player just because it's quite easy to win a lot of bb early-midstages by playing tight/solid against a weaker player pool and then getting outplayed later in the tourney v a higher proportion of good players . Yes you can filter for that with blind levels but also I think in MTTs there's just some inflection points or w/e where you need to be winning chips and there's others where it doesn't matter so much if that doesn't sound too noobish
Similar to a steady tight player who may do ok in mtts with a lowish roi and lots of cashes but there will be a superlaggy guy who busts a ton but sometimes gets a stack and just crushes and wins big tourneys , His bb/100 graph might not look good though

In my sample of around 220k hands, if I filter por blind 12k+, I have 2,2k hands total. This sample is useless. And it includes a lot of blind levels above 12k. So it will be pratically impossible to ever have a decent sample for specific blind levels, the high ones. So I prefer to rely on what someone said before: if someone is winning for 5bb+ in a decent sample, it's very unlikely that this aware of the game player will simply blow away his chips in the late stages. ICM is a thing, for sure, but it's unlikely that this player will not be aware of it.

ICM isn't just about punting stacks deep in MTTs

I know, it's selecting your preflop ranges accordingly with tournament progression and your stack size. Still, not enough to make 5bb/100 ever a loser. Easier to solve this actually if we search for our hand histories and see how many whales we find and how they deliver chips in many ways, noticeable while playing too, so yea. But that guy's 12k sample is scary.

keep studying, seems positive stuff (Y)

I always am, but this type of discussion is good to find objective answers. No need to be shady/superior if it won't help objectively.

not trying to be shady or superior, sorry it came across like that. just a busy guy.

plus, it's much more rewarding to discover the answers yourself than just being told them by a stranger.

you wanna know how i learnt the answers to all of your questions?

I didn't yet. still learning.

keep studying wasn't meant to be a derogatory phrase, but one of encouragement..

have a nice day.

im a trust fund punting fish and heres my stars beiber graph

Ok man, really sorry if I misinterpreted your friendly advice. We see so many harsh situations nowadays (mostly unnecessarily) that sometimes it leads us to misinterpret some well-intentioned situations.