Diego deserves whatevers coming to him. Must be so frustrating to deal with someone like that. Hope Zima and Elio are able to get back what is owed to them. Im curious how much MU there was/is?

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well said.

Diego is lying to Zima.

diegokeep
8/10/13 2:24 PM
i need money to eat and pay my accounts




Diego spent over two weeks traveling hundreds of kilometers across Brazil just weeks before telling Zima he had to cash out to eat:




Or maybe I'm just not understanding because of the language barrier...

I showed so much goodwill towards Walmart and paid for alllllll of my purchases for years! They got soooo much money from me! And this one time I took like 8k worth of stuff without asking or paying for it and they get alllll bent out of shape. Such jokers.

Lol you guys who defend scammers and thieves are such clowns.

You guys do realize if this happens in the "real world" that he and other scammers and thieves like him would be brought up on embezzlement or other charges and probably face jail time?

God you all are so ruthless. Pretty sure JJ and others are simply bringing up the fact that Zima could have probably handled the situation a little better by maybe showing some empathy towards a PARTNER of his who had shown him a great deal of loyalty and trust in the past when winning him over 6 figures.

Diego wasn't an employee of Zima's, he was a PARTNER. Staking is supposed to be a mutually beneficial arrangement and long standing staking relationships are built through having some decent empathy and compassion for one another.

Just because Zima runs a highly successful staking business doesn't mean he can't make it even better by maybe incorporating some of these suggestions into his business which might increase loyalty and avoid situations like this from happening in the future.

So basically if you think your boss/partner is a dick it makes it more okay to steal? Mmmmmmk. Seems like there's no language barrier. But lots of people have a morality barrier!

you guys realize i only posted some of the conversations diego and i had over the course of the staking agreement, right? not even sure why i am defending myself as it seems as though some of you have your mind made up already.

for every 1 horse who talks **** about how i run the stable, i am sure there are 5 more who would say i run a fair business. its always the guys who have stolen money from us that for some reason (!?!?!?) hate how we do business.


Weird how this thread has turned out to people somewhat attacking me, when I (elio+) am down 6 figures to scumbags like diego who think they can just cashout funds when they need it. i some what expected some flaming in this thread, but some of it really doesnt make sense. staking is a ruthless business, and many people go broke for a ton of different reasons.

I think he is saying that if the boss/partner is a dick, underlings are more likely to not care about that person.

Maybe they would be brought up on embezzlement charges. Maybe just fired.
I kind of think of $100k plus per year salesman with Amex card paying for personal meals and some expenses with the credit card. Most likely just fired if the unauthorized use of the money was under $10,000.

How can someone be talented enough to chop the sunday million 2x yet be so stupid to ruin their name for such a small amount when he had the opportunity to steal $65,000 or $95,000?
This may be why some think he really did not understand that he was stealing or perhaps because the amounts were not anywhere near the returns he provided to his backers, maybe he thought they would understand and not be so upset?
Who knows what he was thinking. I do know he was not entitled to that money and it is stealing regardless of his intentions or thoughts.

I get that that's the implication. So for some reason people's reaction is to compromise their own morals and then steal from that person? When someone has been a douche to me my response has never been that I should take some of their money....Strange to me that people want to blur the lines and defend that type of person because they're seemingly butthurt either directly by Zima or some of their poker buddies have had a gruff interaction with him.

You are an idiot

I am simply saying that there are inevitably going to be people out there that wont feel any moral obligation to pay back a person if they are a total dick.

Is that the right thing to do? Of course not, however the bottom line is people like that are out there, and situations like this can be avoided by treating your business partners with the utmost respect.

I have been staked before by a good friend and I can say that given the fact that I had the utmost respect for him as a friend and a partner I wanted nothing more than to be a good investment for him. However the stake wasn't working out and I didn't feel good about my game so without even talking about buying out I paid back the entire makeup because I felt it was the right thing to do. However had he not been such a great friend and partner I wouldn't have felt morally obligated to pay back the makeup in full and I probably would have offered to pay back 30-50% or something.

I just feel like backers would be met more often with this type of loyalty and sense of moral obligation by their horses if they treat them as friends and partners, rather than an employee who is only as good to them as the money they make. There doesn't have to be a financial sacrifice by backers in order to show them respect and empathy.

FWIW, I'm by no means bashing Zima or saying he's a dick. I have no idea how he conducts his business. In general though, I think if backers treat their PARTNERS with respect and treat them as equals they will usually be met with far more loyalty which is beneficial for everyone.

Is it really hard for you to believe that some people are much more willing to steal from someone they dislike and/or much less likely to harm someone they call a friend?

Not even defending the theft, just explaining some unclear thoughts from other posters.

I just disagree with this I guess. I have a business and personal relationship will all my horses. I still get stolen from. It's unavoidable it seems. I don't think if I was any more or less of a dick that I would or should be stolen from more or less though.

Yes, that is hard for me to believe. And it pains me that people are coming into this thread and are basically defending someone that does that and are attacking Zima and implying he deserves it for the way he treats people. That's really ridiculous. People think the thieving horse should be given some slack because he had some positive interactions with his backer in the past. Lol?? Think a lot of posts would be different if some of these posters wallets were 8k thinner (plus 40k mu!!).

I don't side with anyone who says the theft was justified, but you are naive if you think how you treat people doesn't affect how they act verses you.

Furthermore, it was a bit tacky that some people used this thread to attack Zima and/or tried to blame him for someone's theft - even if he could have somehow mitigated that likelihood.

Why would you leave out parts that might be important in that huge wall of text?

[x] anecdotal evidence

[x] unsolicited advice on how a successful entrepreneur ought to run his business

[x] calls other people idiots

Let's put this another way.

- case against Zima:
doesn't care enough about employees' hardships

- case against Diego:
violated a contract
cashed out backer money secretly
refused multiple offers to establish a repayment plan before being outed

One of these things is something the community should absolutely be made aware of, and the other is not at all our concern.

More importantly, one of these cases is ironclad and backed by actual evidence, while the other is based on armchair psychology from people who likely know nothing about either party beyond a few chat logs.

i really didnt think it was relevant to post how i reacted to when i heard his dad died, or all the times i told him to take as much time as he needed. Or the times i gave him loans on the stake, to try and help him out.

diego took months off while he was in a decent amount of MU, and not one time did i pressure him to play more (i asked where he had been, but nothing that was trying to rush him back to play). you would think if someone was going broke, they would be actually working and doing their job, rather than just taking trips and working on a music "career'. i gave him all the time he needed.

I just wanted to keep it to the facts. the wall of text is probably already too big and most people skim it.

holy **** stop posting awful analogies you douchenozzle

See this is a good post. And lol Swish.

But the way I see it, and the way all non backers in MTTC should see it, is that the actual exploited party here is almost always the horse. Backing conglomerates are always exploiting a market inefficency and are pretty much by definition always in a better financial spot than their horses.

When a big staker like Zima comes out and calls Diego a thief while dropping him, it can basically ruin his entire life. If that's done without just cause (due to exploitative policies and contracts), it's a pretty big problem. Compare that to the losses Zima endured in this spot (if Diego was stealing) and it's not even close to the same thing.

I'm guessing the reason so many stables keep quiet about thieves and keep things in house is that they are printing money like a corporation. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Meaning you can't exploit the inefficiency of the market to make hundreds of thousands or millions and then also complain to the community when one of the reasons for the market inefficency hits you.

****, i need to change my stars name to douchenozzle. thats pure.

Some of these comments are pretty crazy, have to laugh tho.

Hope u get your $$ back zima, not looking good for u ��

Gl