** 2012 World Championship of Online Poker -- Tentative Schedule Thread **

[D.Peters]

Def agree that there aren't enough big buyin nlh events. This is a once a year series. The opening sunday the 2 main wcoops are both 215. That just sounds like any other sunday the rest of the year to me, just with slightly more ppl than the normal warmup and sunday mil get. Theres a day where the only 2 events are a 109 nlh and a 215 flh. Thats just terrible. We can play $100-$300 tournies every day of the year. There def needs to be several more 1k-2500 nlh events thrown in.

[drkamikaze]

All the people calling for big buyins are wrong. WCOOP is about having managable buyins that the little guy can satty into for not very much, creating large fields that everyone can play. The SCOOP high buyins are for the pros who want to put up large sums to play with all the other regs.

This is about appealing to a wide player base, not to the 100-200 regs who can afford to play ultra high stakes.

+1 to calls for big o, mixed O8, stud8/o8, badugi/triple draw, baduci (1 time pls??). This schedule is so heavy on the PLO high and NLHE. It would be nice if you could add a few more mixed games.

And agreed with the person above who notes that 2 of the nl/pl o8 events are at 6 am. Can't you replace one of them with one of the jillion plo or nlhe events so that the regular player base can play more? thanks!

[GoldenBears]

And I know you want it to be "accessible" or whatever, but that's more of what SCOOP is about with the different buyin levels.

The WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP OF ONLINE POKER should have bigger buyins that people aspire to satty into, and they feel like they are playing a special event when they enter it, not just another random $200 MTT on a sunday that happens to have more runners than usual.

Why would the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP if NL draw, razz, NLTD, and triple draw be $200-$300 events? This is a once a year chance to play the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP of single draw, and it's a $200 buyin? The live version of the single draw championship is a 10k at the WSOP.

Also, do you really lose that many people by making a $200 event into a $400 event? There are like inf $200 mtts every week, and so few $400+, wcoop should juice it up a bit

[Aek203]

Originally Posted by GoldenBears

Needs more > 1k buyins.

For higher stakes players SCOOP is so much more significant than WCOOP, and there are already so many tournaments in the 100-300 range, CHAMPIONSHIPS should be about bigger buyins that people can satty into and stuff.

Exactly that's why there's SCOOP. I think the buy-ins are fine, gives everybody a chance to play big events with good structures.

[broken_jia]

Originally Posted by GoldenBears

Why would the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP if NL draw, razz, NLTD, and triple draw be $200-$300 events? This is a once a year chance to play the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP of single draw, and it's a $200 buyin? The live version of the single draw championship is a 10k at the WSOP.

I don't think 2-7 single draw is a good example, as the game is no-where as popular live as it is online. Most of the WSOP Championship events were reduced to $5k versions to adjust for the recession and to accommodate a schedule with more events.

To counter your argument, the structures are always deep in WCOOP where the cream will rise to the crop. From a marketing point of view, Stars will have a much easier time promoting an 800 person MTT with a $215 buyin compared to a $2100 MTT with 80 runners. What fun is a world championship if you only have to best 80 players?

[shaniac]

I like the buyin levels for the most part but I think there should be a a couple $2,100s in there in there or something. A $2100 6max would be pretty cool.

[raidalot]

Originally Posted by broken_jia

Stars will have a much easier time promoting an 800 person MTT with a $215 buyin compared to a $2100 MTT with 80 runners. What fun is a world championship if you only have to best 80 players?

To put this in perspective the SCOOP-H events typically saw much bigger numbers than 80. The first 2 events, for example, (both $2100) had fields of 784 and 966 respectively. The H events generally had bigger prize pools than their corresponding M events.

Nobody is arguing to convert the whole thing to big buyins - its great to have a range so everyone can join in the fun. It just seems that only 3 NLH events >$1k is too little to give real weight to this series as the "World Championships".

Personally I would make most of the events bigger than their regular counterparts. e.g. instead of replacing the Sunday Million with a $215 WCOOP, make it a $430 or $530. Those who normally play the million can probably afford to step up occasionally and it will then feel more special/exciting for them too. Similarly, replace the Sunday $530 with, say, a $2100. Replace a $109 with a $200 etc

[Giffordonian]

Originally Posted by broken_jia

I don't think 2-7 single draw is a good example, as the game is no-where as popular live as it is online. Most of the WSOP Championship events were reduced to $5k versions to adjust for the recession and to accommodate a schedule with more events.

To counter your argument, the structures are always deep in WCOOP where the cream will rise to the crop. From a marketing point of view, Stars will have a much easier time promoting an 800 person MTT with a $215 buyin compared to a $2100 MTT with 80 runners. What fun is a world championship if you only have to best 80 players?

Wimbledon is mega fun and they only have 128 players! I think there is definitely valid points from both angles but completely see where Galen is coming from...this is the World Championships and there probably ought to be stand-out events as such...like maybe retain most of the current schedule but maybe add in one more big event for each game type...the more tournaments the better...a $2k PLO8 Championship event + a mixed 08 tournament would be really cool btw

[jeztuck]

Originally Posted by broken_jia

From an Omaha 8 player's perspective, I think it's kinda out of the blue that you would introduce the Ante Up as a format of choice to represent NLO8 at WCOOP.

While this tournament has been gaining popularity + exposure by being a WSOP event in NLHoldem, I don't think there is nearly as enough NLO8 games that run in this format. Before Black Friday, there used to be 5-6 NLO8 Ante ups running and after the schedule was revamped (still Pre-Black Friday), 2-3 of them were removed and the result was 3 of these tournaments as part of the tournament schedule. As of this date, the 3 remain in the schedule and do not attract near the number of runners a freezeout or rebuy would attract.

In my opinion, the better way would be to run a 6-max and a 9-max NLO8 with one of them being a rebuy/second chance event. If you think KOs and 6-max are better together, then make the 9-max a 2x chance.


Alternatively, you could make the 9-max a KO and have the 6-max as an unlimited rebuy event.

I trust the decision making ability of your team, please change the Ante up NLO8 event.

+1

Also a mixed omaha event would be great PLO,PL08,NL08,L08 please!
could call it POOP or OOOH, cheers

[billygstar]

Buyins are plenty enough for PLO8. No point in having a 2k plo8 when most of the bests plo8 players can't play coz it's way way over regular buyins.

thanks Bryan for putting some events at 0600 to give players from asia pacific a chance

some1 said mix O8. that would be awsome!!

STUD8/FLO8 pls

[Voll]

kinda agree with higher buyins this is the world championship not the tcoop or the scoop

[Extinuous]

Please make a normal NL o8 event. How would NLHE players feel if every NLHE event was changed to ante-up?

If you want to make an ante-up version, sure, but in addition to the standard NL event, not instead of. Please notice that NL o8 weekly tournaments have the highest prize pools amongst all o8 torunaments, why would you exclude it from the most important series of the year?

[TheChamp11]

Tuesday, 18 September
Event 46 - 11:00: $320 Mixed NL Hold'em/PL Omaha

this should be 6max imo

[billygstar]

Originally Posted by Extinuous

Please make a normal NL o8 event. How would NLHE players feel if every NLHE event was changed to ante-up?

If you want to make an ante-up version, sure, but in addition to the standard NL event, not instead of. Please notice that NL o8 weekly tournaments have the highest prize pools amongst all o8 torunaments, why would you exclude it from the most important series of the year?

i think bryan has already said in a previous post that this will be changed as loads of ppl have posted about it.

[Extinuous]

Originally Posted by billygstar

i think bryan has already said in a previous post that this will be changed as loads of ppl have posted about it.

Oh, must have missed it. Great then.