2010 Spring Championship of Online Poker -- Feedback Request Thread

[Verstehen]

Kind of surprised there is so much unhappiness in this thread...

I am a cash game reg on Stars who looks forward to these tourney series. I am by no means a tourney expert, I mean I have a positive ROI on OPR (mainly just from luckboxing a small-stakes deepstack tourney) but I don't really study and understand tournaments the way the serious players do, I just play them on the side when I'm bored of the cash grind. In other words I'm someone you want in these tournaments, not exactly a recreational donk but someone who does not specialize in donkaments, only plays them for the variety/fun/gamble, doesn't pay that much attention to structures and payouts, etc. I'm pretty pleased with this schedule. I generally avoid turbos, hyper-turbos, and rebuys so this looks good. Really like:

Event 18-L: $33 NL Hold'em [4-max], $150,000 gtd
Event 10-M: $162 NL Hold'em (Ante Up!), $100,000 gtd
Event 15-L: $22 NL Hold'em [big antes], $250,000 gtd
Event 29-L: $55 PL Omaha, $100,000 gtd
Event 33-L: $109 NLHE Main Event - L, $1,000,000 gtd

And there are at least 10 others I'm considering playing.

The guarantees are small but come on, it's Stars, they exceed the guarantee on pretty much everything... although it is true that I look at some of these $215s and think "well why don't I just play the sunday million with satellite fish and twice as big a guarantee?"

My main criticism would be the big gaps in buy-ins, for me the sweet spot is around the $109 buy-in and there aren't many right at that level, while there are tons of $215s (too high to play all of them) and $22s (a bit low for my tastes). More stuff in the $55-$162 range would be great.

I do kind of agree with aprilfools that it would be nice to have something very weird/unexpected in terms of games or structures... but come on we all know that is full tilt's MO, not stars. FTP has all of the unusual stuff like rush poker and deep ante cash games and stars keeps the status quo.

I never post in MTTc so feel free to disregard all of this.

PS you guys in MTTs have no idea how good you have it, having someone like Brian dedicated just to your forum and feedback is amazing and most cash games players would kill for a similar relationship with Stars.

[R_Webb18]

Monday, May 3, 2010, 14:00 ET:
Event 01-L:$5.50 NL Hold'em [6-max, rebuys], $250,000 gtd should be 600k
Event 01-M: $55 NL Hold'em [6-max, rebuys], $500,000 gtd should be 1m
Event 01-H: $530 NL Hold'em [6-max, rebuys], $1,000,000 gtd should be 1.5m or 2m

ftops event 17 $300 rebuy had over 1,100,000 and this is 500 and only 1m?

[thess123]

Originally Posted by aprilsfool_pwns_72

ugh, just saw this too. how is pokerstars still so gay for the nlhes with far too little experimentation? i'd like to see 100x crazier tourneys than these. what about tourneys with a structure that zigzag with larger blind increases every other level and small decreases the other levels. ie -

10/20
25/50
15/30
75/150
50/100
150/300
100/200
.
.
.


or an event where every player gets 2 entries into identical tourneys that run exactly in parallel, but players can transfer chips between their two stacks?

or a horse event where players play all 5 games at once on 5 parallel tables with similar chip transferring options among their stacks?

or a tourney where the structure (and/or) is not set at the beginning of the tournament is determined randomly as each level begins like bobby fischer random chess?

or a flop game - holdem / omaha with an extra round of betting where players are allowed to draw 0-2 preflop? should generate much more action.

or a bumped volatility where chips are randomly added or taken away from 1 player's stack at each table after each hand.

please just something more exotic than just simple game mixing. i'm just getting started and that was like 10 ideas i had right there. you could have at least a few crazy events, and yet you choose to have 0.... big missed opportunity imo. this is a healthy heaping of old world mtts, but is it too much to ask for a little creativity please?!?

there should be at least 1 mega crazy event each scoop and wcoop which nobody has ever heard of before and nobody knows how to play.

+1 trillion.

Id love an event like any of these.

[TurnUpTheSun]

Originally Posted by Verstehen

Kind of surprised there is so much unhappiness in this thread...

PS you guys in MTTs have no idea how good you have it, having someone like Brian dedicated just to your forum and feedback is amazing and most cash games players would kill for a similar relationship with Stars.

i think everyone thinks its awesome how involved bryan and the stars staff is with the mttc. i think the unhappiness is because even though most of the feedback is the same (turbos, high too high, second chances), it appears none of the three will be changed. im not a highstakes guy, but when the highstakes players say the 2r1a event is too high, something has to be changed. why make a feedback thread when the feedback (seemingly) isnt going to listened to? besides that, ps is obv the nuts.

[Bakes]

Originally Posted by Kramerica

the more i read this schedule, the more it sucks

ya

[redirkulous]

Originally Posted by Kramerica

the more i read this schedule, the more it sucks

haha yea, the first time I saw it I was like o sick schedule...Then read everyone's complaints which are 100% right (especially about the absurd guarantees). and now it just seems lame

[ilmostro]

read part of the thread and just wow, most of you are a bunch of btches. if you don't like the guarantee...don't play, what a novel idea. to actually have a stars rep come on here and solicit feedback for what players want is a great thing. as a company they could ultimately tell you to *** and lower the guar. then what? play on tilt or ub...yeah right.

/rant

[BruceWizayne]

Originally Posted by ilmostro

read part of the thread and just wow, most of you are a bunch of btches. if you don't like the guarantee...don't play, what a novel idea. to actually have a stars rep come on here and solicit feedback for what players want is a great thing. as a company they could ultimately tell you to *** and lower the guar. then what? play on tilt or ub...yeah right.

/rant

Please note "Feedback Request" in the title.

[Life Tilt]

So it looks like:

- Need more turbo mtt's.

- 2nd Chances. If you don't add turbo mtt's, make the 2nd chances turbo.

- Bigger guarantees.

- NL 2-7.

- Add more Limit Hold'em.

- Move Heads-up to a different day.

- Let everyone run good 1x.

What else am I missing?

[Kramerica]

Yes, fk all these gimmicks. Can we just have a normal no limit holdem donkament or 2

3k 4 max and 2100 2r 1 add on with **** guarantees literally make me laugh

[pyjka]

Bryan when sats to SCOOP??
or only steps-satellites ? :[

[IWEARGOGGLES]

The only complaint I really do disagree with is wanting more turbos.

I don't want to see turbos in series' with actual structures.

Especially something really stupid like high stakes turbos. I think all of the ranting about wanting turbos is taking online tournies in a bad direction.

[Losing all]

Originally Posted by IWEARGOGGLES

Especially something really stupid like high stakes turbos. I think all of the ranting about wanting turbos is taking online tournies in a bad direction.

Probably, but I'd still like 1 set of hypers...

Also love the O8 stuff, adding an plo8 6 max event would be great., maybe even split up an event or 2 so we get more off the wall stuff. Hyper NLHE $55plo8 6 max $215, 27 sd $w/e.

[IWEARGOGGLES]

Originally Posted by Losing all

Probably, but I'd still like 1 set of hypers...

Also love the O8 stuff, adding an plo8 6 max event would be great., maybe even split up an event or 2 so we get more off the wall stuff. Hyper NLHE $55plo8 6 max $215, 27 sd $w/e.

No I agree that it is a cool format, but asking for MORE MORE MORE TURBOS, TURBO 2ND CHANCES, HYPER TURBO 10KS and other stuff has gotten out of hand.

[shaniac]

Originally Posted by IWEARGOGGLES

The only complaint I really do disagree with is wanting more turbos.

I don't want to see turbos in series' with actual structures.

Especially something really stupid like high stakes turbos. I think all of the ranting about wanting turbos is taking online tournies in a bad direction.

I disagree completely. What is it about events with "actual structures" that confers a greater distinction on the results of these events? And what is the criteria for an "actual structure?" A tournament that is guaranteed to last 16 hours or more?

Turbos are a popular form of MTT poker and put many poker skills to the test (really, almost all the important skills from regular-paced MTTs). Your argument also inaccurately imply that all turbo structures are the same, or similarly bad, or necessarily bad--not true. If you don't have a bigger edge in, say, the daily $100 ^3 than the $23.45 hyper, you're doing it wrong.

In any case, the thing I really take exception to is the close-mindedness that equates structure with prestige. It's arbitrary and superficial and irrelevant given the scope of trying to create an egalitarian poker culture.

No I agree that it is a cool format, but asking for MORE MORE MORE TURBOS, TURBO 2ND CHANCES, HYPER TURBO 10KS and other stuff has gotten out of hand.

but doesn't the demand indicate a consensus?