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Old 05-30-2012, 03:32 PM   #886
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Re: WORLD SERIES OF WEREWOLF™ GAME THREAD - GAME 1.C

You lynch me Herbie and we lose.
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Old 05-30-2012, 03:48 PM   #887
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Re: WORLD SERIES OF WEREWOLF™ GAME THREAD - GAME 1.C

I think the key at this point is that we now have some additional information to use when analyzing nightkills.

Aksdal kill night one SHC's TheNothing
Bsball kill night two is a little more ambiguous but

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In case anyone was wondering, here's where I'm at right now:

Villagery people (no particular order):
bsball
tbob
TN
milquetoast

Meh (roughly in order):
vixt
hotwings
kruze
herbie

Wolfy People (no particular order):
perdition
larry legend
montecore
When you look at this post we now know that all three of bsball's "wolfy people" were villagers. We had also come to the consensus that TN was SHC night one. This means that if the wolves thought bsball was the seer then the only thing that they could possibly have killed him for was his "peeks" of Tbob and Milquetito.

We also know that at least one of TN/Tbob/Milquetito is a wolf so either the n1 or the n2 kill was some combination of an FPS kill and/or a pure strong player kill.

When I do this analysis I'm going to assume that the wolves didn't FPS two nightkills in a row because it's such a dangerous thing to do that if they did it and got away without having any of their "cleared" players peeked and without village locking the game by peeking others then more power to them - they took a huge risk and got away with it - wp gg

So the question to me becomes which kill was more likely to be an FPS/SP kill - I think it's quite obvious that it's the n1 kill. Generally when wolves kill someone that they know can't be seer it's because that person is someone that they want dead anyways with the added side benefit of seer hunt clearing a wolf. Looking at the above post by bsball can you really imagine any possible wolf team out of tbob/TN/Kruze/Hotwings/Milque wanting bsball dead? Given the way people were posting about Aksdal it seems far more likely that they would want him out of the game than that they would want bsball out of the game.

Another point is that Bsball was at various points getting some heat - I know I was calling him a wolf and there were not a lot of people who were declaring him as a lock villager - it's not out of the realm of possibility that bsball could have been a mislynch later in the game. Compare that to Aksdal on day 1 - no one was calling him a wolf at all and wolves probably (rightly) believed that he was very unlikely to ever be lynched.

In addition to that - the only reason that we're able to know what "peeks" bsball was killed for is because we now know that all of perdition/larry/monte were/are villagers - this is not the sort of clear cut "SHC" wolves generally want when they are FPS killing someone.

I think the simplest explanation for things here are that the wolves killed Aksdal n1 in part because he was a strong player, in part because he was never getting lynched, and in part to "clear" TheNothing. They killed Bsball because they believed he was a seer who had peeked Tbob and Milquetito villager, thus making our wolves TheNothing, Hotwings, and Kruze
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Old 05-30-2012, 03:52 PM   #888
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You lynch me Herbie and we lose.
The problem here is that you being a villager means either

1. The wolves killed people that they knew weren't seers on both n1 and n2 or

2. The wolves killed Bsball to "clear" both Tbob and Milquetito knowing that if the real seer had peeked either of them then the other one would no longer be SHC as well

I find both of these scenarios to be extremely unlikely
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Old 05-30-2012, 03:54 PM   #889
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2. The wolves killed Bsball to "clear" both Tbob and Milquetito knowing that if the real seer had peeked either of them then the other one would no longer be SHC as well
This, btw, is why on the rare occasions that wolves make an FPS kill after n1 they usually only do so with 1 incorrect peek - the minute a "peek" is proven wrong then the village realizes that the wolves killed that person knowing they weren't the seer thus rendering useless any other "peeks" that they had left.
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Old 05-30-2012, 03:58 PM   #890
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The problem here is that you being a villager means either

1. The wolves killed people that they knew weren't seers on both n1 and n2 or

2. The wolves killed Bsball to "clear" both Tbob and Milquetito knowing that if the real seer had peeked either of them then the other one would no longer be SHC as well

I find both of these scenarios to be extremely unlikely
Worth noting that this logic applies to Kruze being a villager as well - if you think either Hotwings or Kruze is a villager then you're saying that you believe one of these two scenarios is what happened
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Old 05-30-2012, 04:01 PM   #891
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And the main reason I didn't want to post all of that earlier today is that I didn't want to get into a leveling war with either the wolves or myself about why they did or did not counterclaim Larry after I posted all of that - I thought Larry's claim was extremely credible from the moment he made it and I was hoping it would go uncountered so I would be able to make that argument about who the wolves are without having to go into scenarios and hypotheticals about "if Larry is seer"
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Old 05-30-2012, 04:01 PM   #892
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And so that I would have the "cleared villager authority" necessary to make an argument like that
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Old 05-30-2012, 04:03 PM   #893
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Alright I can get down with Kruze/wangs

I'm pretty convinced with her reaction today that TheNothing is a wolf.
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Old 05-30-2012, 04:07 PM   #894
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I'll wait for people to discuss before voting, but I have trouble imagining anything that could be said or done from this point forward that's going to change my mind about that. I'm pretty much committed to that line at this point.
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Old 05-30-2012, 04:09 PM   #895
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Anyone that has an objection to me voting Hotwings today should speak soon or hold your peace
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Old 05-30-2012, 04:28 PM   #896
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Im gonna say hotwings>Kruze>milque

I for one thought aksdals defense of TN heading into eod as a wagon was why aks was killed and milque makes sense for the second nk based off FPS. There was a post where bsb said "milque is a villa" or some form of that closish to eod based on a post that wasn't in your face villa or anything. Ugh I need to get back to to work, I am off at 7 and can hopefully get back in with some more comments but it looks like we are gaining at least some consensus
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Old 05-30-2012, 04:28 PM   #897
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If no one objects I'm going to vote before I leave work (about 30 mins from now)
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Old 05-30-2012, 04:29 PM   #898
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Im gonna say hotwings>Kruze>milque

I for one thought aksdals defense of TN heading into eod as a wagon was why aks was killed and milque makes sense for the second nk based off FPS. There was a post where bsb said "milque is a villa" or some form of that closish to eod based on a post that wasn't in your face villa or anything. Ugh I need to get back to to work, I am off at 7 and can hopefully get back in with some more comments but it looks like we are gaining at least some consensus
Please make sure you read my whole analysis post about the SHC's - it's not about which hint is stronger at this point - it's about which kill was FPS'd and why
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Old 05-30-2012, 04:30 PM   #899
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Re: WORLD SERIES OF WEREWOLF™ GAME THREAD - GAME 1.C

A vote for hotwings18 is BAD
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Old 05-30-2012, 04:31 PM   #900
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I am voting Milque in 10 minutes
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