saber stfu about crunkus, i don't appreciate you being lock-clear and then using your time to further alienate someone i have to play this game with after you're dead

OK, cool, let's explore this. Late CFDs are scum driven. Why? What's their motivation? More to the point, which scum specifically in this game did so?

Because at the time the murksa CFD started with about 5 minutes left in the day with me the only vote on him, here are the order in which people voted murksa:

cory (dead, flipped villager)
Gamer Dude (peeked villager by dead seer)
TTT (dead, flipped wolf)
saberwolf (peeked villager by dead seer)
Tommy Danger (dead, flipped villager)
Marvellosity (dead, flipped villager)
lenC (maybe?)

So, either five of the seven CFD participants or six of the seven CFD participants are confirmed villagers. How do you now feel about your theory that this specific CFD was wolf driven? More to the point, is it your assumption that the wolves had to create this CFD to lynch a villager instead of a wolf? If so, that means that merk_sa has to be a wolf, because the other wagon before that was Tommy, he got lynched and flipped villager, so we know they weren't trying to save him.

Talk about this in detail.






As many as it takes for it to start making sense to anyone at all.

Are you aware that my vote on murska was crossposted with the two other people on murska flipping their vote off, which would have given him three votes according to what I knew when I made it? Does that make a difference to you in your reading? Or are you suggesting that it's OK for you to be in the thread and be so mesmerized by a clearly wolf driven CFD that wasn't actually wolf driven that you are unable to get a single thought out, but I am supposed to instantly process all votes and know the vote count in the precise moment? I'd really like to know what you're pushing here, because from my perspective you're selectively using a factually bull**** argument to push someone I know for a fact is a villager.

cool, yeah, life happens, that is also a possible explanation

did you have certain life events happen in champs game 3 on the days when there were v/v wagons that you can recall, or was that actually a considered option from you to not be in the thread?

sorry you got sick just in time for another EOD, is there a reason I should have known this?

You were making said argument regarding not lynching vigilantes about an hour before EOD.

You then posted 30 minutes before EOD to respond to Crunkus of all people, while apparently in the middle of dinner? I'm a bit confused as to what the exact timing of your dinner was there.

You then popped back in 3 minutes prior to EOD to again urge people to not lynch Tom, which was pretty futile at that point, but hey you never know right?

Frankly, that's a surprising amount of effort to get in during dinner with your parents, given that you couldn't make any effort to pop in for a movie with a friend. Kudos on that.

moocher, I would appreciate your vote on arcbell at this time, kthxbai

dwetz coming off as a slightly less likeable version of me in that post, good stuff

arc, actually, one more question regarding the "wolf CFD" theory on day 1: please tell me who they were trying to save that day, and why you aren't in here pushing and voting that person right now

wn is basically outed at this point imo, was hoping to get a competing wagon with lenc so we might get some action this gameday but w/e

also i don't want to re-read the thread until i see WN flip but i'm a lil depressed by the fact i spent so much time re-reading d1 and now realising that i'm gonna have to do it again tomorrow

So this is where I currently stand:

While it is healthy to consider the wolves pulling next level plays, I am of the mindset of "assume until the need to adapt". Therefore I don't feel the need to fearsuspect players like thingy and moocher (just yet). Moving forward with that process, my list of trust looks something like this:

Thingy
Moocher
Merk_sa

Tappo
DWetzel
LenC

traz

arcbell
crunkus

well named

There are players in here that are dangerously close to potentially losing this game for town with their overall lack of participation if they are villagers (arcbell, crunkus, traz) and ask that you guys pick it up.

Everyone in that second group, feel free to remind me of the townie experiences we've shared or something you've done that you think merits a town recognition.

something else that's depressing is that, from what i remember, lenc looks good based on d1 interactions if WN is a wolf yet:

he is still playing EXACTLY as he describes his own wolf game to be

i'm gonna say that crunkus is more likely to be a wolf if arcbell is a wolf just based on the fact that it will give us an indication that at least one wolf was prepared to play in a very gimmicky way

This is way over the line.
Except that I'm not.

Also lol at "it's depressing that he's a villager" the wanting is so hard with this one.

len i don't even understand why you would deny that your contributions have fallen way off and that you're looking more like a frozen wolf than a villager lately, you've basically peaced out from this game for several days

I'd respond to that but I'm too frozen.

i feel like you've taken the last week off old boy

i believe you said you were up to quadruple or quintuple lock clear by now?

i remember you saying similar things in HP6 where we were both villagers nearing endgame and i asked you to make the case for why you were clear, and it was a great case and i locked you in as villa after that

if you could do the same thing again here that would be aces

Votes from post 8798 to post 9490
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
5	well named	saberwolf13 (41), Crunkus (18), merk_sa (54), Gamer Dude (47), lenC (34)
3	lenC	The Moocher (146), dbmurph22 (36), Arcbell (79)
2	Arcbell	DWetzel (42), Thingyman (98)
1	Thingyman	traz (40)
1	merk_sa	tappokone (39)
1	not voting	well named (1)

I've had unexpected IRL stuff that I valued higher than this game. If you think I'd make this up whilst contributing all the time in wolfchat then you're mistaken.
And anyone who disagrees hasn't been paying attention
nope

I didn't say you had been contributing in wolfchat, no idea why you would even bring that up.

You've done no real work for ages whereas you worked your ass off in our previous v/v game together in a somewhat similar situ.

All you're giving me are excuses and a refusal to try and clear yourself which doesn't fit in with your earlier statements about how you were going to be here to play and that you would be impossible to lynch this game on account of you being villa.

I think it's perfectly reasonable for me to say that your play and behaviour over the last few days is much more indicative of your wolf game than your village game and it's churlish of you to disagree with that.

well named

Our difference lies within the fact that I still believe I'm impossible to lynch in this game. All I see is WN getting lynched and a bunch of people taking stabs at me in a way I can only describe as extremely flaccid.

Currently, I'm finishing up my Luckbox reread, I'm unsure if I want to get WN lynched and want to have a firm opinion before EOD. So I'm not even worried about self preservation or anything.

There isn't more that I need to say other than I haven't ever posted more than 200 times in a game as a wolf and am approaching close to double than that here with tons more content(at least I think). I thought I was unlynchable in Tarantino too, on the day I objectively thought I might be going, I put up 423 posts but unfortunately those idiots still went through with it. Maybe talk to Thingy and he might agree to do a massive post about me like traz and dwetz.

Not going to lose sleep about slanking a few days here but getting lynched is too big of an equity blow so yes, I'll deal with that when the time comes.

And I see what you're doing with the pressure but I'm not some puppet who will do this dance, there are tons more important stuff than getting lenC sextuple lack clair.

'i'm just gonna take it easy while i still can'

Seems like my vigs aren't going through so you have nothing to worry about.

what?

Not sure what's going on here. Is he...promising to peek Saber? If not then it's merk.

Been busy all and am going to still be busy. In transit ATM. Not fully caught up, but thinking well named still for today

Here he picks it up with WN. I think it's more likely that he just blew a peek on someone like jcohen rather than he outed 75% of his peeks on a spot that will give him the nk a huge % of the time.

I guess the decision is easy if WN decides to be a no-show for the remainder of the day.