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Old 01-04-2012, 01:25 PM   #1381
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Re: Triplechain

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It's an error.
There is a difference between an "error" and an "intentional suboptimal play"
I know those percentages very well.

I took my only chance to win yesterday´s DC. It was unlikely, but the straightforward play was 0%.
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Old 01-04-2012, 01:46 PM   #1382
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if you look at my board, it's even worse - i needed two 2s and a 6 in order to bowl the nuts. And LO!

Not my finest hour.
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Old 01-04-2012, 02:19 PM   #1383
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zac, I noticed DC scores show up on people's top 10 as "hidden" but still has the color on which it scored (ie blue for 30k+ etc.)
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Old 01-04-2012, 05:52 PM   #1384
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Yeah I know about the "hidden" showing up. It would be better to hide it entirely but it's so rare that it will impact a challenge that it's pretty low on my list. Thanks for pointing it out though.
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Old 01-04-2012, 07:50 PM   #1385
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I'm a bit weirded about today's challenge. I thought that I was going to win as a result of what was in hindsight a demonstrable error, but then Th10 has matched my score, so maybe it wasn't an error?
I find it funny that you somehow seem to think I don't make mistakes. I certainly do, however this was not a mistake, but a forced decision. In the 8th rack, I could've paired the 2s, but would've had to pair two 1s to do that, so had to play it this way. So the mistake in this game was made in racks 1-4 with how I played 1s.

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if you look at my board, it's even worse - i needed two 2s and a 6 in order to bowl the nuts. And LO!

Not my finest hour.
No, you still have the nuts (well, not the absolute nuts, since it was possible to score more by playing 3s, but realistic nuts), if the last rack has just one 2 and 6, you don't need the 2nd 2 to have the nuts, and I too needed the 6 and 2 to win. I'm too lazy to calculate exactly, but I'd estimate that would be about 30 % to win (62xxx), which is not bad at all. It is not an entirely fair comparison due to multiway wins being possible, but to shed some light on how good that 30 % is, Paul has the best winrate in DCs, less than 12 %.

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All of the top 9 made the same bonus error. So how am I supposed to beat TH when he even wins on the occasions he makes mistakes??!
I think most of top 9 had to make that play because of 1s. But I really don't understand at all why you think this was worth complaining about, I still had about 30 % chance to win with last rack, which is pretty good (especially comparing it to your 0 %). And like I said in Timed chat, I've missed 5 out of last 7 chances to get more zones in DCs with the last rack, so I think it is only fair that I get some good last racks too! Lately I haven't won games where I had better odds to win, and have gotten lucky wins in games, where I had much worse odds to win, nothing special about this one. Also, I had that awful run some time back, where I couldn't win no matter what, so it is nice to be on the positive side of variance for a change now with 6 wins in 19 games.

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zomg TH10 only 3 pts behind Dynasty
Well, now you've jinxed it, after this I'll probably be back on the negative side of variance and drop back to 1460 by the end of next week.

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I've just been thinking about my targets for the game and wondered what everyone else's were. Cos these are the reasons we keep playing, but obviously everyone's are different. I'm just interested in what keeps people playing.
Here are some I came up with, some of these are not that easy, and I need to be really lucky to get some of these, but whatever.

Timed:
- Stay first in the Timed ranking.
- Keep the Timed Invincible accolade.
- Get to the highest (1700+ rating) accolade in Timed. Not sure how realistic this is.
- Win a tournament match.
- Win a tournament.

Daily:
- Get to first in the Daily ranking.
- Get to Daily Master (1500+ rating). Not sure how realistic this is.
- Win DCs more often (5 out of 14 or 6 out of 19 not good enough obv), and get higher on the DC wins list, hopefully first at some point.

Normal:
- New record (57295+).
- 60k+ score.
- Game with all dice scoring.
- Top 10 average above 53k.

Advanced:
- 74k+ score.
- Game with 840 award points.
- Top 10 average above 72k.

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Holy crap

TH10 just records a new advanced high score

http://www.triplechain.net/reconstruct?chain_id=988830

73.800

Rack 9 was ALMOST optimal. If the 1 would have been a 6 ==> 74.175
I had a chance to gamble to get that 74k, was tempted to do it. But since I didn't have 2->5 left, it would've been a disaster to get the 2 from re-roll any, so I didn't have the balls to do it, since I could've ruined the new record. Had the game been 73500 or a chance to get 74k+, I would've gambled, since that would've only tied for the number 1 score.



Also, in that pic it can be seen that at that time needed "-1014550 points more to reach level 18". Surely I don't have to lose award points in order to get there?

I had another chance to get 74k+ to end the last year on a good result.



Well I still managed to do that by getting the highest snake charmer score ever, beating previous best set by Mercer by a whopping 25 points! Also the first time I got 450 award points in a normal mode game. Missed one three to get 54000, but I won't complain, was really lucky with the last rack. Is this the only game with 50k+ and 3s snaked?



I also had two games where I could've played a game, where all 45 dice were scoring.





And last in the quest for a 60k normal mode score, some weeks ago I had one game where I believe I was on course for a 70k score through six racks. Alas, the last three racks had 10 3s/4s and the game didn't even score 30k. I don't have one from the 6th, so the pic below is from 5th rack, where it was still perfect, iirc 6th rack had just one 3.



If I remember the 6th rack right, with perfect racks 7-9, it could've finished like this:

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Old 01-05-2012, 12:26 AM   #1386
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I think most of top 9 had to make that play because of 1s. But I really don't understand at all why you think this was worth complaining about, I still had about 30 % chance to win with last rack, which is pretty good (especially comparing it to your 0 %). And like I said in Timed chat, I've missed 5 out of last 7 chances to get more zones in DCs with the last rack, so I think it is only fair that I get some good last racks too! Lately I haven't won games where I had better odds to win, and have gotten lucky wins in games, where I had much worse odds to win, nothing special about this one. Also, I had that awful run some time back, where I couldn't win no matter what, so it is nice to be on the positive side of variance for a change now with 6 wins in 19 games.
Because your recent upswing has been absolutely ridiculous, it feels like I can't do anything but watch your rating zoom off into the stratosphere. And talking about final racks is silly anyway, it's like talking about all-in EV in poker, only a small factor. I was just pointing out that recently it seems like even when your setup forces you into a suboptimal play you hit the river card. Plus I'm partially joking, and just petulantly whining, so relax

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- Get to the highest (1700+ rating) accolade in Timed. Not sure how realistic this is.

- Get to Daily Master (1500+ rating). Not sure how realistic this is.

- Win DCs more often (5 out of 14 or 6 out of 19 not good enough obv), and get higher on the DC wins list, hopefully first at some point.
I don't think the 1700+ is possible nowadays. Maybe in the days before Dynasty revealed his strategy, but not now. But I reckon 1500+ is well within your reach. And please, if you get to first on the DC wins list, let me do it first. Just for a day? Please? It's probably the only ranking I have a chance at now. You're poised to take the highest winrate soon too.

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Old 01-05-2012, 12:37 AM   #1387
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Re: Triplechain

I'm in first place for the first time in weeks! "Woot", as the youngsters are wont to say.
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Old 01-05-2012, 05:52 PM   #1388
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Because your recent upswing has been absolutely ridiculous, it feels like I can't do anything but watch your rating zoom off into the stratosphere. And talking about final racks is silly anyway, it's like talking about all-in EV in poker, only a small factor. I was just pointing out that recently it seems like even when your setup forces you into a suboptimal play you hit the river card. Plus I'm partially joking, and just petulantly whining, so relax
I guess I understand your point, I just don't really get using this game as an example, since it was a pretty standard game, as proven by about half the field playing it the same way. There would've been an actual example of me luckboxing a win some games ago.

But even though I've had a lot of wins, I've had a lot of failures too. Are you forgetting that I still have that penalty to get rid of? I may be wrong, but I think I've actually gained less than 5 points since 1460, rest have been due to the penalty removal, which makes the upswing seem much bigger than it actually has been. Yes, the last rack is just a part of the luck, but it is the part that is easy to quantify, so I don't think talking about that is silly, although it obviously doesn't tell the whole story.

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I don't think the 1700+ is possible nowadays. Maybe in the days before Dynasty revealed his strategy, but not now. But I reckon 1500+ is well within your reach. And please, if you get to first on the DC wins list, let me do it first. Just for a day? Please? It's probably the only ranking I have a chance at now. You're poised to take the highest winrate soon too.
Yea, sadly I don't think the 1700+ is possible with this player pool, keeping the 1650+ is a big challenge in itself. The problem is that the rating differences to everyone else are so large, I need to win too often to be +EV. And when the usual opponents are the best players around, winning around 60-65 % is pretty much impossible.

I'm not sure about that 1500+ either, but I guess it could be possible, as it is ONLY 25 points away. The things that make getting that easier are that the rating differences are not as large as in Timed and that my average opponent in DCs is much worse than my average opponent in Timed games. The problem is that there is a limited amount of DCs, so it is going to take a lot of time, especially when every big failure needs two good days to get the lost rating back.

You still have the highest winrate and you are 7 wins ahead of me, so you are the favorite to get there (DC wins list) first, if one of us even ever gets there. Anyways, if it is doable, it is going to take a long time, as Dynasty has so many more wins, and is going to get more wins at a good rate. Also now that Gaby jinxed me, my next win is probably coming in February, so I won't be passing you in the winrate.
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Old 01-05-2012, 08:17 PM   #1389
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What's wrong with this picture?
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Old 01-05-2012, 08:26 PM   #1390
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What's wrong with this picture?
You played last rack wrong by putting the 1 in the right zone, should've put it to top zone to have 10 bonus, as you are playing the TC mode, where 4s are ignored.

Timed mode had such a severe lag, that it was impossible to finish under 4 minutes, so I assume the server has some problems, which probably caused what happened to you also.
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Old 01-05-2012, 08:32 PM   #1391
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I was just doing the trail/error with switching the 4 and the 1 on the top because i can't do the maths on my head when the glitch happened
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Old 01-06-2012, 03:31 AM   #1392
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Also now that Gaby jinxed me, my next win is probably coming in February, so I won't be passing you in the winrate.
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@Dynasty: You are the best DC player in the world, you will never lose you no. 1 position.

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Old 01-08-2012, 05:34 AM   #1393
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I hate this game sometimes

this is after I used both the reroll 3 and reroll any on the last rack. I know I can get a five out of the remaining abilities but jesus ****ing christ this is an easy 60k with anything decent on the last rack
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Old 01-08-2012, 06:27 AM   #1394
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lol currently second in the DC with 16 points behind no. 1

(people wil jump over both of us - so it's not that big of a deal)
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Old 01-09-2012, 08:16 AM   #1395
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Sooooooo

I did the DC and I was 1/2. Then I looked later and I was 1/6. Then I relooked later and I was 9/14.

lol
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