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07-20-2016 , 03:44 AM
Filled my 9th rack mistakes costing me a DC win quota for the year.
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07-20-2016 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by lenC
Filled my 9th rack mistakes costing me a DC win quota for the year.
ouch. and you had paired 2s and a 1 in the spot you needed too....all ready to go..
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08-01-2016 , 01:01 AM
I remember reading somewhere ITT that the two hardest puzzles were Zac Fails and Treep's two many twos. So, I made the mistake of trying to solve them.

I got them. Zac fails took me and hour and a half and too many two's took two hours.

I have done some puzzles before but these ones needed some serious pen and paper. I took the obvious first step of determining (from the top score) what the bonus score and chain totals for each chain would be, just as I would for any puzzle.

I then made a list of the conditions/circumstances that "had" to exist in order to solve the puzzle.

And then I made a list of conditions that "could not" exist based on the 9 racks of 5 numbers and their required sequencing and in-rack distribution.

I think I had about 15-20 total conditions written down for the two many twos puzzle, but it made it easier to solve. Before I even laid out a plan I was able to eliminate several possibilities that seemed intuitively ok, but were just not workable.

That process may not work for everybody, but it worked for me. I am sure many of you will just make a mental note of conditions, and then be able to work to solve these puzzles.

Anyway, if you have not solved those two and are looking for a challenge, have fun. They are as hard as advertised.

Last edited by ArcticKnight; 08-01-2016 at 01:10 AM.
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08-02-2016 , 06:51 AM
I just played a normal game where 61k+ was possible. I scored 37k obviously. It is a puzzle
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08-02-2016 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by arjun13
I just played a normal game where 61k+ was possible. I scored 37k obviously. It is a puzzle
I played the game normally and got 51,120.

Getting 61k+ seems impractical without knowing in advance its possible.
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08-05-2016 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by lenC
great minds think alike amirite

len, I was expecting that when I copied your homework it would lead me to the promised land... really disappointed with your finish....lol ..
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08-06-2016 , 04:14 AM
OK, I'm gonna put it out there - rewatching Dynasty's DC from yesterday almost makes me physically ill.
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08-06-2016 , 05:12 AM
That rack 1 play is standard in his style (and completely ****ing terrible), the rest was solid
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08-06-2016 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul101
OK, I'm gonna put it out there - rewatching Dynasty's DC from yesterday almost makes me physically ill.
Paul, what was your thinking in rack 5 of your Aug 4 win? Were you sacrificing 5-zoning 6s so early just for the possible 5 zone of 3s ? It just looked like your approach worked, but not for the reason you intended?

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That rack 1 play is standard in his style (and completely ****ing terrible), the rest was solid
We miss you Gabe.. hope you get the bug after summer is over..
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08-07-2016 , 12:48 AM
Ah, I hate writing long posts like this on a phone... apologies in advance for the brevity. It's a little complicated, so I'm sure I'll miss details.

It's not trading off 6s for 3s, that wouldn't make any sense. 3s are worth less than 6s, and have an equal chance of snaking. It's actually all about the 2s.

Long answer: I really want to put that 2 in either the centre or left zone. This is a winning play when there are exactly two more in Rounds 6-8 and none in Round 9 (11%, as happened). Furthermore, and more importantly, let's say you play those 5s to the left, leaving 6s open. Then you get three or more 2s in Rounds 6-8 (47%). Where do they go? The only places to connect them directly shut off 6s, so you have to choose between having THREE lone 2s, or shutting off snaking 6s anyway (AND only 3-zoning 6s or 3s).

Short answer: Dynasty setup sucks with only one 2 from Rounds 1-4. The only good place to connect extra 2s is in the bottom-left corner. 2s are more important than 6s here, because our other chains are so strong. Also, as you pointed out, we leave 3s open, so can't lose THAT much. Also, 6s only snake 23% anyway.

Last edited by Paul101; 08-07-2016 at 01:02 AM.
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08-07-2016 , 12:53 AM
Looking back actually, I potentially misplayed Round 3. That one's interesting, and I don't know the answer atm.
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08-07-2016 , 12:55 AM
Oh, and Gabe, we love you! Come back! When you're ready.

Running bad sucks, but it ends. Eventually.
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08-07-2016 , 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul101
Ah, I hate writing long posts like this on a phone... apologies in advance for the brevity. It's a little complicated, so I'm sure I'll miss details.

It's not trading off 6s for 3s, that wouldn't make any sense. 3s are worth less than 6s, and have an equal chance of snaking. It's actually all about the 2s.

Long answer: I really want to put that 2 in either the centre or left zone. This is a winning play when there are exactly two more in Rounds 6-8 and none in Round 9 (11%, as happened). Furthermore, and more importantly, let's say you play those 5s to the left, leaving 6s open. Then you get three or more 2s in Rounds 6-8 (47%). Where do they go? The only places to connect them directly shut off 6s, so you have to choose between having THREE lone 2s, or shutting off snaking 6s anyway (AND only 3-zoning 6s or 3s).

Short answer: Dynasty setup sucks with only one 2 from Rounds 1-4. The only good place to connect extra 2s is in the bottom-left corner. 2s are more important than 6s here, because our other chains are so strong. Also, as you pointed out, we leave 3s open, so can't lose THAT much. Also, 6s only snake 23% anyway.
What you said is all understandable. It is not something I'd be able to bring myself to do, but I get that you are making a statistically informed decision. Just one beyond where my game is.

I like looking over your games, and I did think 2s must have had a big role there. It just seemed that your first 2 in the west could make something like a 23XXX in rack 7 a big problem, with both the 2 and the 3 wanting the centre spot.

Was that the potential rack 3 oops you were referring to? The only 2 going in the west zone?

Thx
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08-07-2016 , 02:52 AM
Huh, yes that probably is a mistake, but not the one I was referring to. I hadn't thought about that.

The (other) potential mistake is that because there is only one 2, Dynasty strat is not ideal. Perhaps 5 to centre, 3 to south zone is better. It has a chance of failing, and is worse for 3s in general, but is better for 5s and 2s.
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08-07-2016 , 03:58 AM
On a side note, 27 days last month plus the first 4 days of this month = 360 LenC points. Upswings are fun.
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08-08-2016 , 03:40 AM
You must have fistpumped at that rack 9 yesterday, wetwilly! If I'm not mistaken, you only won with 2222x.

0.32%?

Popcorn and MonkeySmugla were robbed
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08-08-2016 , 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ArcticKnight
len, I was expecting that when I copied your homework it would lead me to the promised land... really disappointed with your finish....lol ..
I'm currently glitching so some 11th place finishes get mistaken with 1st place ones. Might I suggest to copy Paul until I fix my bugs.
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You must have fistpumped at that rack 9 yesterday, wetwilly! If I'm not mistaken, you only won with 2222x.

0.32%?

Popcorn and MonkeySmugla were robbed
I laughed for quite a bit then headed to excel to do the =BINOMDIST to figure out the math.

For Monkey, this was a vital TC lesson, you're welcome.
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08-09-2016 , 12:34 PM
Lol. Cf today's DC where a similar play doesn't work out so well for me.
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08-10-2016 , 08:43 AM
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Lol. Cf today's DC where a similar play doesn't work out so well for me.
This is TMI
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08-10-2016 , 04:12 PM
Everyone had already played.
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08-10-2016 , 09:27 PM
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Everyone had already played.
Ehmm, you posted that with over 14 hours left in the DC. When I read your message, 25 players had played and 32 ended up playing it. So yeah, TMI.
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08-16-2016 , 11:07 PM
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I almost had what I think would be my first 9-0 Black Widow (558). Instead, I went 3-0, 3-0, 3-1 with a tie in the very last game.
Just had my first.
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08-16-2016 , 11:44 PM
Nice one Nails. Especially beating Dynasty at his own game... that is pretty tough to do.

Sticking to the dynasty opening seems to be serving you well..

ggs
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08-17-2016 , 04:02 AM
Gooseshoot 20 - I've just beaten Zac in the semi finals with a couple of notable points:
- Zac got the perfect bagel, and even did it with a bonus of three to my two, but got eliminated by coinflip
- i'm in with a shot of the perfect tournament - 0 in the round of 8, 0 in the round of 4, going into the final looking for the third 0
- it's a chance for me to finally win a gooseshoot - there have been like 22-23 of them so far (I messed the numbering up) and I've played in all bar 1 I think. At some point I'll have to stop blaming it on luck.
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08-20-2016 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by kokiri
Gooseshoot 20 - I've just beaten Zac in the semi finals with a couple of notable points:
- Zac got the perfect bagel, and even did it with a bonus of three to my two, but got eliminated by coinflip
- i'm in with a shot of the perfect tournament - 0 in the round of 8, 0 in the round of 4, going into the final looking for the third 0
- it's a chance for me to finally win a gooseshoot - there have been like 22-23 of them so far (I messed the numbering up) and I've played in all bar 1 I think. At some point I'll have to stop blaming it on luck.
Confirmed got my first Gooseshoot victory:

- lowest aggregate score over 3 games in gooseshoot history (18) => greatest performance of all time.
- won the semi final by a coinflip, and the final by default => scam victory.

you decide.
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