For me, this ranks pretty high in TC achievements, probably 2nd behind Timed Invincible. Now the big challenge is trying to stay above 1500.
Seems pretty do-able if you never play the DC again
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Finally, if I could only get that 60k+ normal mode score (without losing the Daily Master status), the Grand Slam would be perfect.
What about Daily wins/winrate? Just cos they're not on the Main page that doesn't make them less important imo. And actually was gonna ask Zac about putting wins or winrate on the Main page (if it doesn't look too ugly), seeing as a lot of people play DCs for wins not rating, and everyone cares about them.
Also, it's not just Daily Master you need to keep: I'm gonna be doing my best to get you back to Timed Master.
Finally, I've decided to copy TH: Last month my winrate was 65.7% and I had 4 wins. So a reasonably good month.
Grats Gabe on making it to 50. I'm sitting on 49. Hopefully join you soon.
Zac,
A minor bug that doesn't really matter much, but replays don't work when you replay a puzzle game that starts in the middle rounds (like TH10's "Random" puzzles).
TH10,
I spent some time looking at that puzzle again yesterday and wasn't able to figure it out. Seems that you sacrificed 1 bonus in exchange for getting much better chains, and I'm not sure how to make the chains better yet. I'll keep checking it out.
Zac, any chance you could post my score averages for Timed and Daily, or maybe even top10/20 or something? Iirc last time they were for me both just below 25k, but those were a long time ago. Would be interesting to know has there been any improvement, since I think I've become a better player over time. Of course the Daily scores can have a lot of variance with such a small sample size.
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Congrats!
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I spent some time looking at that puzzle again yesterday and wasn't able to figure it out. Seems that you sacrificed 1 bonus in exchange for getting much better chains, and I'm not sure how to make the chains better yet. I'll keep checking it out.
Hmm, maybe you had played the previous solution differently than me then? Idk, anyways, that is a really good puzzle imo, not only because of the amount of different dice (especially 1s), but how ridiculously unevenly the dice are distributed among the racks, so I guess it is a good thing the solution isn't as easy as I thought. GL!
Also, sorry about leaving the Timed game so abruptly two days ago, got disconnected due to an all night scheduled maintenance that started at midnight, apparently my ISP didn't consider this to be something they should inform the customers about.
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Seems pretty do-able if you never play the DC again
Seems like a solid plan imo! I had to wait to get it for such a long time, I was always going to take a day or two off after getting the Daily Master so I wouldn't lose it straight away.
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What about Daily wins/winrate? Just cos they're not on the Main page that doesn't make them less important imo. And actually was gonna ask Zac about putting wins or winrate on the Main page (if it doesn't look too ugly), seeing as a lot of people play DCs for wins not rating, and everyone cares about them.
They are not part of the Grand Slam though. But of course it would be nice to win more DCs, as we've discussed a few DC situations where I could've made +rating-EV, or +win-EV decisions, I've always made the +win-EV decisions, in fact I don't think I've ever chosen a +rating-EV play over a +win-EV play, even when being close to Master, and being very tempted in some spots. However it has already been proven during the last few months that I'm just not good enough to win DCs (and even if I somehow win due to getting super lucky, the game won't be able to handle that, last time it caused the 'undo-bug'; if I were to win another, that would probably kill the whole game engine). The last part is obviously not serious, as a lot of things I've said in previous posts, not sure how well the non-seriousness has been translated though...
So with that and what has been said previously in mind:
[ ] can win DCs
[ ] it is possible to achieve the next accolade
[X] can make my winrate even worse by playing more games
[X] can lose the current accolade
So I can't gain anything, but can lose, so the question is: why even bother playing? Also atm I kind of feel like I've played the game through, as in the isn't anything more I could achieve, since I can't win DCs anymore, this is about as good as it gets. Well, there are two more things I would like to get, the 60k+ in normal mode, and that 45 scoring dice normal mode game too. But let's face it, both of these require very little skill, and a LOT of luck.
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Also, it's not just Daily Master you need to keep: I'm gonna be doing my best to get you back to Timed Master.
I think I'm more than capable of doing that by myself, so no need to help me, but thanks for the offer. Of course I can lose the Timed Invincible, or either of the score records at any time too, I mentioned only the Daily Master since it is the one that is easiest to lose imo, well obv not if I don't play DCs.
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Finally, I've decided to copy TH: Last month my winrate was 65.7% and I had 4 wins. So a reasonably good month.
MBN! So there was at least one person who actually read and cared about the DC stats! Here are my DC stats for May:
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Stats are listed: January; February; March; April; May; 2012.
General:
Rating: +20; +1; 0; +3; +5; +29
Days played: 29; 29; 29; 29; 23; 139
Wins: 8 (27.59 %); 2 (6.90 %); 1 (3.45 %); 2 (6.90 %); 1 (4.40 %); 14 (10.07 %)
Average players, who finished their games: 30.14; 28.52; 28.52; 26.66; 26.00; 28.05
Average position (raw positions, ties don't affect this): 7.86; 9.76; 10.07; 8.69; 7.74; 8.87
Average players tied with: 0.79; 0.72; 0.72; 0.69; 0.70; 0.73
Head-to-head win % (ties count for this as 0.5 wins): 75.09 %; 66.85 %; 65.73 %; 68.68 %; 71.65 %; 69.56 %
TOP5 finishes without winning (raw positions, ties don't affect this): 7 (24.14 %); 6 (20.69 %); 8 (27.59 %); 12 (41.38 %); 12 (52.17 %); 45 (32.37 %)
9th rack luck:
More zones to chains: 6/7 (85.71 %); 7/10 (70.00 %); 4/8 (50.00 %); 7/9 (77.78 %); 2/5 (40.00 %); 26/39 (66.67 %)
Number of games where it was possible to win with 9th rack: 16 (55.17 %); 8 (27.59 %); 9 (31.03 %); 9 (31.03 %); 14 (60.87 %); 56 (40.29 %)
Average odds to win with 9th rack for all the days played: 24.41 %; 5.86 %; 8,62 %; 11.72 %; 12.43 %; 12.62 %
Expected wins with 9th rack: 7.08; 1.70; 2.50; 3,40; 2.86; 17.54
Wins compared to win EV: +0.92, +0.30; -1.50; -1.40; -1.86; -3.54
So rating at an all time high of 1500 (finally!) after gaining 5 points. The H-2-H win % was at a very good 71.65 % in May, but only one win. Was often close to winning though, more than half of the games (12/23; 13/23 with the win counted as well) in TOP5! There was actually a mistake last time with the TOP5 finishes for April, had included May 1st in the April range by accident, oops. 14/23 games had a chance to win with last rack, which is super high. But unfortunately a lot of the odds were really low, as can be easily seen by comparing the related stats with other months. Almost two wins less than I should've had based on expected last rack wins, no change in this trend compared to last two months. I actually followed the last rack distributions too out of interest, there were quite a lot of more chain dice than should be on average, 74.78 %, so based on this there can be quite a decent amount of variance with the 'more zones to chains in last rack'.
Here are some more specific stats about winning and expected wins for the year. As stated previously, because of the quick estimations, all of these odds might not be exact, but should be about correct on average. Of course there is always the possibility that I've looked at some situation incorrectly, but that can happen both ways too. Giraffe:
After 72 games was at +1.06 wins compared to expected last rack wins, now at -3.54, that is 4.60 wins under EV in just 67 games, pretty brutal stat that.
Chances of winning with 9th rack for the games that I won, from highest to lowest.
100
100
98
93
70
60
60
58
50
44
36
36
30
24
Even the lowest is at 24 %, so haven't really luckboxed a last rack win a single time. 9/14 at least 50 % too.
Chances of winning with 9th rack for the games I didn't win, but had a chance to win, from highest to lowest:
92
78
70
54
50
Quite annoying to not win with 92 %, but it happens. In total five times missed wins with at least 50 %, then a decent amount of missed wins in the 20-49 range, and a even more with smaller odds.
Zac, any chance you could post my score averages for Timed and Daily?
+1 please Zac
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They are not part of the Grand Slam though.
Lol but why not? You've defined this Grand Slam as targets for the stuff on the Main page, but as I said, imo Daily wins or winrate should be on the Main page too. It's also kinda tilting that you're just dismissing the one thing I'm winning at tbh. If anything this should be the thing spurring you on to play again, as it's the only thing left you're not top of. While you're not playing, you're just letting me get further in front.
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But of course it would be nice to win more DCs, as we've discussed a few DC situations where I could've made +rating-EV, or +win-EV decisions, I've always made the +win-EV decisions, in fact I don't think I've ever chosen a +rating-EV play over a +win-EV play, even when being close to Master, and being very tempted in some spots. However it has already been proven during the last few months that I'm just not good enough to win DCs (and even if I somehow win due to getting super lucky, the game won't be able to handle that, last time it caused the 'undo-bug'; if I were to win another, that would probably kill the whole game engine). The last part is obviously not serious, as a lot of things I've said in previous posts, not sure how well the non-seriousness has been translated though...
So with that and what has been said previously in mind:
[ ] can win DCs
[ ] it is possible to achieve the next accolade
[X] can make my winrate even worse by playing more games
[X] can lose the current accolade
So I can't gain anything, but can lose, so the question is: why even bother playing? Also atm I kind of feel like I've played the game through, as in the isn't anything more I could achieve, since I can't win DCs anymore, this is about as good as it gets. Well, there are two more things I would like to get, the 60k+ in normal mode, and that 45 scoring dice normal mode game too. But let's face it, both of these require very little skill, and a LOT of luck.
If you quit that would absolutely ruin the game for me. I think I'd keep playing, but not as enthusiatically. To make you feel like there's something worth playing for, I'd love to try and challenge (or at least get close to) your ratings, but under the current system there's little chance of that, especially in Timed. Also, clearly you can still win DCs, you know it's just a downswing (don't worry, the joke was pretty clear)!
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MBN! So there was at least one person who actually read and cared about the DC stats!
Yeah, but I just skimmed and picked out the key details, far too much to read in-depth. Also, I noticed I made a mistake, should be winrate of 66.2%. Also, over the days you played it was 69.1%, so fairly close.
Lol but why not? You've defined this Grand Slam as targets for the stuff on the Main page, but as I said, imo Daily wins or winrate should be on the Main page too.
Yes, they are the four rankings on the main leaderboard. As you probably know, tennis and golf also have four majors needed for Grand Slam, so I thought that was an appropriate name, since these are the four main rankings for the four main game modes in TC too. If more were added that would make the name obsolete.
Wins definitely shouldn't be there imo, it is so highly dependent on the amount of games played, so newer players have little chance to get there. The problem with winrate would be if someone wins one of their first seven DCs, and never plays again, that player would be first on the list forever. Even though that is very unlikely, it would suck really bad if that happened. But, yea, I agree winrates should probably be added somewhere, don't think main page is the right place though, better to leave that with one ranking for each main game mode imo, well other than puzzles since there isn't a good ranking for that anyway. Although I think you suggested some kind of rating/ranking for it at some point? Still probably not something that should be added there. Instead I think the winrates should be placed on the Daily leaderboard, the problem is that currently there seems to be enough room for only four different rankings on one page, so something needs to be changed to make this happen.
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It's also kinda tilting that you're just dismissing the one thing I'm winning at tbh.
Come on, this just isn't a fair statement to make in any way. Even when I was ahead of you in the winrate, I don't think I ever mentioned it, other than when you brought it up. Iirc I was first in winrate when I completed the Grand Slam, and didn't mention it then either. And pretty sure I've never listed it as a goal either. So saying I'm dismissing it because you are winning is just completely wrong. I guess I've never cared about it that much, because it just doesn't matter as much in my mind since players aren't officially ranked by it.
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If you quit that would absolutely ruin the game for me. I think I'd keep playing, but not as enthusiatically. To make you feel like there's something worth playing for, I'd love to try and challenge (or at least get close to) your ratings, but under the current system there's little chance of that, especially in Timed.
So I should keep playing to lose rating? Sounds like a good plan. The Timed mode games have unfortunately been almost dead for a while now, maybe a new tournament would bring more interest in Timed mode? Or some kind of new team tournament? Based on the amount of players, maybe US vs UK vs rest of the World? Or something. No idea how it would work though. Could have some matches in pairs/teams too with the best score of the team counting.
As for DC rating, there isn't anything that would prevent you getting above 1500 even if I didn't play, so don't see how that is relevant here. In fact me not playing should help you get to first in Daily rating, since assuming I would continue my current yearly H-2-H winrate, I would eventually get the rating to about 1521!
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Also, clearly you can still win DCs, you know it's just a downswing
No, I can't. Yes, it is a downswing,
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but one that never ends. I've had enough experience with poker downswings to know my downswings don't seem to end in my lifetime, they just keep getting worse and worse over time. So if I would keep playing, by the end of year I'd probably be almost 20 DC wins below EV. Which would be even more tilting.
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Originally Posted by Paul101
Yeah, but I just skimmed and picked out the key details, far too much to read in-depth. Also, I noticed I made a mistake, should be winrate of 66.2%. Also, over the days you played it was 69.1%, so fairly close.
Still, 71.65>69.1, and I believe you had thrice the amount of wins I had during that time period. So, as I said before, MBN!
LOL at the current daily leaderboards, yellow score on normal mode leaderboard, and green on advanced leaderboard.
A screenshot after my game of yesterday. Note that my DC score is visible in the normal day scores.
I think logging out and logging back in makes the score disappear.
A screenshot after my game of yesterday. Note that my DC score is visible in the normal day scores.
I think logging out and logging back in makes the score disappear.
The DC scores show up on the daily leaderboard as 'Hidden' if you play early enough. They go away when the system updates the results from previous day.
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Also: 4 wins in 5 day [/brag]
That is pretty ridiculous! Also, you won by more than 11k yesterday, must be a new record!
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omgfg i need to staple something to my forehead to remind me from undoing. Making DC-related undos is driving me up the wall.
What OS/browser are you using? I'm wondering if those might have something to do with the bug, since I haven't personally seen the 'undo bug' at all. I'm using Windows and Firefox.
These puzzles will be the death of me. Finally was able to get TH10's score on the 12 angry men one. I will go into depression if anyone can beat this score. Another one I never would have thought was possible if it weren't for TH10's already posted score.
Oh and I fired up a chrome browser to go along with my firefox browser, and I did get the undo bug with chrome. (this time on a linux machine)
Two Plus Two
Here are my DC stats for May:
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