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12-22-2009 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by biggerboat
OK, I feel like I'm banging my head against the wall here, but I'll give it another try.

Our biggest problem right now is Eddie. I'm assuming that he is neutral and not part of the wolf team. I could be wrong about this. But, we have only had a 1/2 vig and giving the wolves 2 vigs doesn't make sense. Plus, he didn't kill the first 2 nights that I can tell. I guess there is a possibility that he joined the wolf team after the game started, but it really doesn't matter. I just doubt seriously that he started the game as a wolf.

The point is, he is definitely anti-village. He killed one of the masons 2 nights ago which confirms this without a doubt.

So, we know Luckay is out there. There almost has to be another wolf, maybe more. So, if we knock off anyone but Eddie, the wolves get their nk and Eddie gets his nk. We can't afford this to go on very long.

My assumption is that Eddie either doesn't know who the wolves are or doesn't care. So, he's been playing as if he's a villager here. At least the first few days. He isn't going to care one way or another if pointer gets lynched. He probably didn't even know if pointer was a wolf. So, he's going to put his votes in the most non-wolfy way possible. I'm guessing he's going to be as utr as possible too to avoid suspicion, but being a good villager works too.

I have a few guesses on Eddie.

1) coordi - Has done nothing but try to be invisible
2) Telco- Doesn't really fit my criteria, but posted something about eddie after the beg claim. Almost too obvious maybe. This is more a soul read than anything.
3) mac - he has done nothing except get beg lynched. This pretty much clears him from being wolf, but not Eddie. He has done nothing before or since.
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12-22-2009 , 03:35 PM
ok...what are your reads on the 10 other players in the game?

those aren't "reads" on coordi/telco/mac, that's just how they usually play
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12-22-2009 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by bsball8806
ok...what are your reads on the 10 other players in the game?

those aren't "reads" on coordi/telco/mac, that's just how they usually play
I don't have a list ready. Off the top of my head......

wdc - today's posts - uber villagery - earlier not so much
bsball - already said can't be a wolf
coordi/telco/mac - already said
kailong - no lean, don't hate the wagon
wahoo - villager but not ruling out eddie
ewalsh- no clue

minuseve is clear, luckay is wolf

who else?
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12-22-2009 , 03:43 PM
meh i mean those are good reads but at this point everyone basically has the same reads

i guess at this point everyone should be trying to find reasons why they CAN'T be a wolf:


I'll start:

-i've voted a wolf every day (I know my nickname is bussball, but I voted PTV d1/d2/d3)
-I would like to consider myself one of the main people that pushed for his lynch. Look at the end of d3 and you can't possibly say that I'm a wolf. if I am, i'm hurting my team (like wahoo said)
-even if, for some crazy reason, I decided to buss pointer there, I'd only do it for the reason that I could act anti village after. Look who I pushed after that. M1ke. BEG. AoS. three more wolves.

no way i'm a wolf here.

your turn, guys
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12-22-2009 , 03:47 PM
I will interrupt my day three analysis to say that though I continue to award and deduct points, the only thing suspicious about Bsball is that he was right too often. So the only wolf scenario that makes sense for him is that in wolf chat they all got together and decided on one guy to clear entirely.

They never would have chosen him though. He was in danger of being lynched and/or peeked. It would be a waste of resources to have him be the 'clear' guy. Why not give that job to DMK, or Kailong? Bsball doesn't make any sense to me, at least not yet, as a wolf in any known universe.
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12-22-2009 , 03:48 PM
I'll read kailong later and that should give me some insight. If I don't find anything there, I'll go with telcontar but I have never paid attention to either, so both will be tone reads.
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12-22-2009 , 04:37 PM
i havnt tried to be invisible

i just havnt been very interested in the thread
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12-22-2009 , 04:37 PM
books is a villager
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12-22-2009 , 04:37 PM
Hi coordi....have you come up with a reason as to why you're a villager yet?
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12-22-2009 , 04:43 PM
besides that i am, na

ive been trying to vote with my villagers until i could get some reads but i just cant bring myself back into the game

on a semi-related note this is probably the last large game im going to play
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12-22-2009 , 05:10 PM
coordi
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12-22-2009 , 05:13 PM
pretty sure we should still lynch bigger
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12-22-2009 , 05:14 PM
bigger is in this game?
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12-22-2009 , 05:15 PM
right, that's why i want to lynch him
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12-22-2009 , 05:16 PM
what happened to you being so confident on your kailong read that you wanted to lynch him over an extremely likely wolf?
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12-22-2009 , 05:17 PM
kailing is a wolf too imo
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12-22-2009 , 05:18 PM
kailong/bigger are probably the only people i'll vote for today barring something extreme
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12-22-2009 , 05:21 PM
Remaining players:

This is a reread from day three when PTV was lynched.

bsball8806

He comes out of the gate firing:
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so whomever our vig is, he failed pretty hard not killing pointer
Give the man a point. Give the man another point for calling out M1ke and Pointer. Really Bsball would have to be part of a concerted campaign to clear him if he is a wolf. He loses half a point for a detour onto Biggerboat when Lucaky and Pointer are out there. Focus man!

I am not promoting him into the bazillions, but the whole way he worked through the PTV/Luckay debacle was so village. Give him another two points.

biggerboat

Posted very little and voted for Luckay. Deduct half a point for uncharacteristic disappearance.

McAvoy

I am not sure he posted this day. Obviously zero points.

MinusEv

Now that I am told he is seer peeked I feel less motivated to read him. However, this post:

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FTR, I believe Luckay and so think PTV is a bad lynch too, but Luckays info so far has checked out and lynching him would be awful. Yes, he's a bit of an annoying drama queen, but that doesn't make him wolfy.
Is worthy of note. I am not sure an evil allies himself this closely with Luckay/PTV. I think most evils are pushing other wagons without openly agreeing with Luckay. Half a point to him.


wdcbooks

Twenty bazillion points.

kailong

He has a couple of votes worrying about whether CPHoya is definitely a villager. This seems villagery to me. Wolves usually wouldn’t raise this issue. Give him half a point.

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I'll go for AceOfSpades with you for now, although I'm still extremely suspicious of coordi.
Deduct another point. His AOS vote is an attempt to get anything started that isn’t PTV.

The Leveler (subbed in for Systolic)

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After skimming the last two pages and because I still have my wolf leans from d1, PointerToVoid

Once again, should I reread the thread or just get some cliffnotes?
Finally something to comment on. This is a vote he doesn’t have to make. He hasn’t been around. He can very easily and without suspicion vote just about anyone. I don’t believe he chose PTV because he is an awesome wolf hunter, but I like the vote. Give him 1.5 points.


Telcontar

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I did not like the vote for TEPM or Youngplayer9 and upon a re-read of pointertovoid, I didnt like a vote for him either on Day1. i elected not to vote and lo-and-behold TEPM was a villager. Wow, good play there Telcontar, you didn't vote off a villager.

Day2. I got eaten by my job, I didnt get to do much and for that I apologise. again, the two lead wagons are YP and Pointer. Two wagons i already despise. YP9 gets the nod and lo-and-behold. He's a villager! Wow, good play there Telcontar, you didn't vote off another villager.

Day1 - i felt weary of wdcbooks, but there was no wagon for him and I have often been criticized in previous games for voting for people who aren't one of the main wagons, so i elected not to vote anyone.

Day2 - i was weary of bsball, but again, no wagon, so i again elected not to vote. Again, what would be the point, the wagon would never pick up steam enough to vote off "the villages choice" which so far, has only been villagers.


Day3, I'm a villager and I don't want to make people suspicious of me, if it's going to help, I'll happily do like everyone else and vote off people who i think are villagers, but i just don't really like doing that
I have no idea what level this post is on. I don’t like it though. First, he implies that he didn’t vote because he thought the wagonees were villagers. I don’t see any evidence that Tel had followed the thread enough to have that opinion.

Then when pressed he offers Bsball, a villager, and me, a villager as his two people he would lynch. He isn’t playing a standard game, but I think Tel as wolf is quite possible here. Negative one point.

He also comes in after DMK’s case against PTV to support the non-lynching of the uber-power wolf. Tel is losing another point here.

DMK has a bit of interaction with Tel that seems W/V. Add back a half point.
And take away that half point again for a post where he is clearly cozying up to CPHoya and trying desperately to sound useful while distracting from the obvious PTV/Luckay debacle that is brewing. Coming in at this point on day three and not commenting on the happenings is like meeting a supermodel and noting that you like the color of her socks.

Luckay urges a vote for Telcontar. I am, in a controversial Russian judging decision, deducting a half point for this. Luckay can’t possibly believe anyone is lynching Tel on his say so. Therefore his vote serves to drive votes away from Tel and give him cover. May not be what was intended, but I don’t like this.

Later DMK and Kailong jump on Tel for his post. I am typing this as I go and this seems much more villagery. Not because Tel does anything, but because the wolves clearly are looking for an alternative. Give him a point.
There are further attempts to wagon Tel that are very shady. Another half point.

ewalsh420

Maybe this will change, but ewalsh is creeping me the hell out. He is not saying anything of substance and upon reread his much ballyhooed vote for PTV was completely meaningless. He made it on day two with no one else on PTV and no reason to think he is a wagon.

Now it is the next day and his guy might be lynchable. The natural thing to do is either to comment on the Luckay/PTV debacle or keep voting him. He does neither and tries for wagons on me and some other randoms. Deduct 1.5 points

Later we have this:

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im not going to be here for eod

im leaving my vote on wdcbooks because i think he should be considered for the lynch. if you re-read his posts he is mainly just following other people blindly and his posts are for the most part pretty wolfy

luckay is a villager
I don’t believe that ewalsh really has picked me out. I had made few posts and the ones I had made aren’t described here. This looks very very bad for ewalsh. I hesitate a bit at the “Luckay is a villager” bit, but he knows he needs to explain why he voted for PTV yesterday and not today. Another point down.

That and saying he will be gone for the day is probably true, but it may not be and it absolves him of making hard decisions at EOD.

Ok, I do these as I read through the day. Ewalsh says he is leaving, but stays and supports letting the Luckay/PTV thing sort itself out. While he made the wrong decision I think this was a very villager moment for him. There is no reason as a wolf he would stick around. He has nothing to gain from advocating here. Give him back a point and a half.

This post is also very village:

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pointer and luckay are never w/w

as for w/v. this falls on luckay. i believe the chance he is telling the truth plus the probability he knows what he is doing is good enough to let it go 1 day and we get the added bonus of any possible info the wolves will give us with nks
I just think the way he phrased this is very village and I am feeling a lot less ewalsh hate running through my blood.

This is huge:

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pointer, show the code


its only a small chance, but pointer could be claiming to live another day because luckay isnt here (this would mean luckay is fpsing)
Give the man two points. Another half point for following through with the vote.



LuckayLuck

Negative twenty bazillion points

wahoopride

I am not sure whether Wahoo’s follow up vote on Pointer is worth one or half a point. He committed himself to this vote with his late vote the day prior. I will give him the full point.

Wahoo is faring much better today with posts like this:

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so if we assume cphoya, bsball, legend, books and i are villa where does that get us?
Give the man a half point.
Also stuff like this:

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i have not read LL's posts but i think PTV is a wolf still
He is consistent when there is plenty of reason to waver. Give the man another half point.

Wahoo joins in the pressure on PTV. Very villagery. Another point.

coordi
This gets complicated. Coordi makes a terrible seeming vote for Kesh. However Kailong goes after him in a way that makes it seem like they are unlikely to both be wolves. Deduct half a point for Coordi, subject to revocation if Kailong is indeed a wolf.

He votes for PTV when the vote count is 6 to 6. I actually like that he just votes with no explanation. A wolf would be more likely to make a point of the vote at this key point if he wanted credit. Give him a point.

Such a shame that Coordi waffles later and tries to move over to the Kesh wagon. Take away that point. Take away another half point for not being there to vote PTV when it became clear he couldn’t produce a code.
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12-22-2009 , 05:23 PM
bigger is a worse option because we still have a good amount of utrs who could easily be wolves

i think hes just as likely a wolf as coordi or the leveler, but a worse lynch because if he is in fact a villager were going to lose a leading poster and discussion promoter and something like drew carey could happen again
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12-22-2009 , 05:25 PM
of course the disagreement there is that you think hes more likely a wolf than those two
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12-22-2009 , 05:27 PM
i'd normally agree with you, but bigger isn't either

1. a leading poster

2. a discussion promoter

at this point in the game
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12-22-2009 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ewalsh420
of course the disagreement there is that you think hes more likely a wolf than those two
no, i think kailong is more likely

i'm not providing a list of people i don't want to ever lynch, or my lynch list, though, because it makes it too easy for the wolves to NK
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12-22-2009 , 05:31 PM
Day three point totals:


Wdcbooks – Another 20 bazillion points
Bsball – 3.5 more points.
Wahoopride – +2.5 points. Good day.
The Leveler – Positive 1.5 points
Ewalsh - +1.5 points
Telcontar - +.5 points. This may not be how the math actually works, but it fits.
Minus EV – .5 points
McAvoy – 0 points
Biggerboat – Negative .5 points
Kailong – Negative .5 points
Coordi – Negative .5 points
Luckay Luck – Negative 20 bazillion points

It is noteworthy that no one looked awful on this day, but that is largely because the people who looked awful, DMK and AOS, were lynched, leaving the rest.

Running point totals:

Wdcbooks – 40 bazillion points
Bsball – 6 points
McAvoy – 3 points
Ewalsh - 2 points
Minus EV – 1.5 points
The Leveler – Positive 1.5 points
Wahoopride – 1 point
Telcontar - 1 point
Biggerboat – Negative .5 points
Coordi – Negative 1 points
Kailong – Negative 4.5 points
Luckay Luck – Negative 40 bazillion points
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12-22-2009 , 05:33 PM
wdc, great analysis
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12-22-2009 , 05:33 PM
Clearly I am happy to lynch Kailong. My subjective points will be awarded based on key moments or tone based impressions. I can tell you that Bigger is going to face a deduction and some people will get a boost. Today I would be happy with Kailong or Bigger, but I don't think I am ready to lynch anyone else.

That is unless people will make Luckay the number one lynch with Kailong number two, which would absolutely be my preference.
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