Busted 66th in the 1k wsop event 3. Blinds started going up way too quickly.

you can defend more with shallower stacks alot more, especially a great player like m1ke

I think we are being results oriented with the hand, if m1ke's shove was bad, villain's call was far worse.

Shipped a 73 man tourney at 4 times my average BI. Yay!

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$6,843, always good to start with a cash eventhough busting always sucks. You're from Wyoming?

Wyoming, mi

you saying mr I KNOW UR POLARIZED actually makes that call +ev there?

i think results oriented thinking itt from digger and soah

I just happen to think that bluffing when your opponent is inducing bluffs is retarded

no kidding

you can bet over the pot size and missing 2 cards

so when you're villian you never put me on a draw (river hit both) when i overbet the turn?or do you interpret it as like air / nuts.

i do alot of turn overbet leading and i know what MY range is but curious to hear what you guys think when you encounter it

Haven't read the hand at all but with regs that are on a certain level overbets-donkbets after flop goes check/check or after some passive line was chosen i.e. check/call flop; check turn reg overbets the overbet is never for value and almost 100% bluffs because their thinking is "well he wants to keep the pot small/his range does not contain the nuts so I'll just get him to fold his midstrength-top pair hands by shovling chips into the pot"

yeah vs guys who think like this its nice to go overbet turn shove riv with top pair +

m1ke you prolly a far better player than me - let me say that first.

- Ok you might have a balanced range of draws/nuts/air - hell you might even do it with mid-strength value hands idk.

- but my point was - is this the guy you should be using that particular turn bet size with.
given he is sitting with 28bb I think
he is either a pro-shortstacker or he is a recreational player.
If he is a pro shortstacker - on the turn when you overbet like that you put him in push or fold mode ( or he is showdown bound when he does just call)

If he is a recreational player - then he is likely to call far too much overall on every st.
If the second player - on that board and turn - he is in auto-fold when he folds 90% of the time and so if all you are doing is protecting Q high and folding out Ace high then you dont need to overbet to achieve that.
The auxiliary benefit of betting much smaller on the turn if he does continue and you choose to follow through then you have more oomph behind when you shove a nut/nut bluff card like this river. Although likly player type prolly still makes it close because I dont see him folding JJ in this spot often from my experience.

digger thats a pretty good analysis


i think the real mistake in the hand was me mis-evaluating what kind of player he was

i totally thought 4 stars aka PLATINUM meant semi-solid : \

i just find it hard to believe that given the way the board runs out and with the read in mind that he probably is capable of folding weak hands you guys wouldn't bluff there too haha.

that being said, overbetting is not mandatory there but it felt right at the time, i suppose.