Relax. Who cares if you look stupid in front of a bunch of random people on the internet?

Interesting that the treshhold for getting banned is now officially if liberals are upset or not.

I'm not sure that I can share that philosophy but you do you.

Liberals are people too, my friend.

Dude, your posting recently has been abysmal.

In the last two weeks, you have:

• Claimed that voter fraud in the US is almost all due to the Left. You provided no evidence for this, and master3004 posted a bunch of links that seemed to show exactly the opposite.
• Claimed that early reports of the terror attack in Charlottesville was a false flag perpetrated by the left. This hypothesis was only being posited on Alex Jones, /r/The_Donald, and other similar sites on the idiotsphere.
• Said that Wisconsin and Illinois are equally liberal. Not that this is of any real consequence, but anyone with a brain and 30 seconds of internet clicking can show that this is false.

This isn't about liberals and conservatives. This is about you telling outright falsehoods. Stop it. If your ideas are half as great as you think they are, you don't need to be lying to get your opinion across.

A+ post, eyebooger.

It's unfortunate because I do enjoy discussions with people I don't agree with. But when the vast majority of posts (not just here, but elsewhere too) are either falsehoods, stupid conspiracy theories or "LOL libruls", it's impossible to have an honest debate.

to eyebooger

would probably post here more if there was less tolerance of ****posting

Strawman argument. I have never claimed liberals aren't people and i count a number of them as my real life friends.

"I'm not a racist some of my friends are black"

i'm not a racist some of my friends are white

There was. Now it's 24/7 ****.

Yes, they're the ones with a sense of humour.

nice

luckbox just walking into it

i like that he complete ignored the pot shot at liberals in there

First of all, shocked I'm not banned yet.

Today's posts were intentionally designed to be super well within the acceptable bounds of discourse precisely to continue what I have always done--add to the debate in a pleasant manner that reflects my participation in the community. All of this drama can be traced exactly to the reason that it all boils down to: liberals don't want to even hear conservatives, because feelings and lack of logical retort/argument, etc. ("Make it stop!").

This philosophy is what keeps me calm even amidst the unusually strong outbreak of snowflakiness that has beset us ever since The Donald shocked the world.

It's certainly getting there. My posting hasn't changed. I think Charlottesville has just picked a scab that isn't ready to be picked yet, the scab that formed over the wound liberals received by the November 2016 election results. So now anyone braying a song from the wrong hymnal gets the stank-eye.

Libertarian conservatives believe in living and letting live and don't get upset at other people's choices. Everyone else gets upset. The worst of that lot demands compliance or silence.

Listen, DUDE, why don't YOU "stop it." Stop misstating my position. I once respected you, and I still do, but you don't make it easy after that garbage post of yours. YOUR posting has been abysmal ever since you got promoted, trust and believe me on that.

I never claimed anything such thing about Charlottesville. I bent over backwards in my wording to make clear that I did not endorse it; all I wanted was the truth, and when no answers were available I was sharing what others were hypothosizing based on the available evidence. I am well aware that it might have been driven by an agenda, so I went beyond "taking it with a grain of salt" and didn't take it at all. I already apologized by PM for showing poor judgment in bringing it up, but you don't get to change the facts of what I did into something far more sinister. When I co-sign something you'll damn well know about it. Don't you EVER forget I'm one of the good guys with whom you just happen to disagree on politics. I wouldn't get this riled up if I wasn't so disappointed in how far you have fallen, but I think you can recover if you show that rare spirit I have seen in you before.

And notice I didn't stoop to your level and call you a liar in return despite the misstatement. I like to assume the best in people.

P.S.: Wisconsin rarely votes Republican in presidential elections and has a long history of Progressivism. Your facts are just as good as my facts, and we are allowed to have different opinions without you demanding I stop posting about it.

He gets an F for that post, and you get an F- for not catching his misstatement and calling him out on it and giving him a false grade instead.

I'm sorry my posting isn't liberal enough for you. Not sorry obv.

I swear they have a barn FULL of hay with all the strawmans they've been spouting in the wake of their electoral devastation.

No it's not, you have changed the goalposts. Go and read stuff from over a year ago if you don't believe me.

Good luck all.

Ive agreed not to engage Zorkman, and seeing how his constant lies do nothing but make me irate, I've decided not to post here while he continues to. You're all certainly capable of calling him on his BS, so I doubt any luck is needed, but continued good luck on not allowing him to troll you in the meantime.

Don't worry.

As far as I'm concerned he was under probation. The only reason he hasn't been banned yet is that I gave him the benefit of the doubt. However, he's refused to meet me halfway.

My view remains that Zorkman is not a Nazi but he's a silly troll. Most of us do a bit of trolling from time to time. The idea of it is to upset people who are less tough than you.

But I care more about the people who are less tough than I do about Zorkman.

His latest thing is to refuse to satisfy me about his posting. I said he could pretend to be a martyr if he wanted, that his choice was do that or do what I want. I know what you're thinking. Who's Monkey to demand his own way? Well, I'm the mod. I choose whether you are a plus or a minus for 2p2. I'm trusted to do it and I take it seriously.

See ya, Zorkman. When I say you answer what I ask you or you're gone, I don't mean try to make out it's because you're a conservative that you're being excluded. It's not. It's because you're an arsehole.

Right. Now let me point this out. You can be a conservative in this thread. You can believe some horrid horrid ****. You can troll a bit.

I asked Zorkman to reflect on his posting and not to continue to push the line. I know that not everyone agrees that my way is best -- at least one of my fellow mods doesn't -- but I think you have to have a decent shot at it.

I don't think it's too much to ask that when your time of exile is put in abeyance, you at least show some respect for your fellow posters and don't return to the trough.

I'm willing to discuss it, here in the thread, since we have put my rules aside, but I'm not going to bother with too much of it. I decided this thread and this forum really are better off without Zorkman and that's it.

yay

I think that one point Zorkman made about Wisconsin having had a history of progressive elements was right, wasn't it?
I mean as I recall one of the interesting parts about the rise of the tea party and Paul Ryan was the shift of the union/progressive alliance toward this disillusioned angry white voters. I am not steeped in their politics but I am almost certain that there was a very strong progressive movement in Wisconsin that had been stymied and subverted.

But, I could be wrong.

That's an extremely generous interpretation of zorkmans point, but yes that sounds about right

Wisconsin has a couple of liberal cities, as most states do. So in statewide votes, the liberals can do okay. But it's nowhere near "liberal". That Northern European workers once upon a time organised doesn't make it anywhere near liberal if we're cleareyed about it.

It's not like Wisconsin is as conservative as Kansas either. But he said it was the same as Illinois (wrong, WI is way more rural and [trigger warning for pwns] white) and that the only difference is that people from Illinois have a bigger appetite for corruption (absurd).

GG Zork.

I did enjoy most of our conversations. Best of luck to you.

Lol really?

depends what you are looking at. illinois and wisconsin are the same for 99% of the land area, theres just a lot more people in chicago than milwaukee.