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06-26-2017 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
what's r?
Rainbow, I assume
06-26-2017 , 11:44 AM
check seems fine, though i'm not sure filthy should have much that hits this flop really either
06-26-2017 , 11:58 AM
he thinks you bluffed and wants you to bet into him
06-26-2017 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by pwnsall
check seems fine, though i'm not sure filthy should have much that hits this flop really either
idk, ace w/ kicker could be good there

or suited connectors. fun hands to play.
06-26-2017 , 12:01 PM
What is authoritarian about managing distribution of goods and services based on need?
06-26-2017 , 12:12 PM
Once people are reeducated they'll want what's truly best for them.

It's not authoritarian, it's giving people what they really want, they just don't know it!
06-26-2017 , 12:13 PM
MBs post had all the nuance in it about the situation i think. It seems pretty obvious?
06-26-2017 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
What is authoritarian about managing distribution of goods and services based on need?
I imagine the process would look much like the GOP crafting a healthcare bill.
06-26-2017 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
What is authoritarian about managing distribution of goods and services based on need?
I think you mean, how can managing the distribution of goods and services based on need ever be authoritarian. The idea of the 2nd axis is that they don't correlate. I think the short answer to your question is just depending on how it's managed I guess.
06-26-2017 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
What is authoritarian about managing distribution of goods and services based on need?


The management bit?

Last edited by kokiri; 06-26-2017 at 12:41 PM. Reason: That and the need bit.
06-26-2017 , 12:47 PM
One can certainly ask who decides what you need.
06-26-2017 , 12:57 PM
This kind of reminds me about back during election time when everyone kept asking birdman when the violent revolution was starting. And he would get frustrated and say that that's not what he wanted but that instead he just wants there to be a massive paradigm shift in how people thought about everything. If you ignore the whole logistical problem of getting people to buy into your political ideology it would also probably be hard to see why the y axis of that graph matters.

Edit: Forgot about that talking about posters role, pls no ban
06-26-2017 , 01:14 PM
Apparently the Scotus is going to hear a case about religious rights and freedom of speech vs baking gay cakes as well.
06-26-2017 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Monkey Banana
One can certainly ask who decides what you need.
fortunately for me, I have no abilities
06-26-2017 , 01:40 PM
**** the scotus
06-26-2017 , 01:41 PM
comin' straight from the underground
06-26-2017 , 01:56 PM
I feel like 5 people came in and sidestepped the actual question. I asked how distributing resources based on need was authoritarian. The way a society actually goes about accomplishing that goal is a separate question, to which there are lots of answers. But just like capitalism ostensibly distributes production based on how much one produces, another system might distribute production based on what someone needs. The attack of "well capitalism doesn't ACTUALLY distribute based on a meritocracy" is a true but separate critique. So lets just take the goals at face value and talk about the implementation separately. Because obviously anything done in an authoritarian manner is authoritarian (duh?).

Does anyone have a reason why distribution based on need is inherently authoritarian?
06-26-2017 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Aksdal
And he would get frustrated and say that that's not what he wanted but that instead he just wants there to be a massive paradigm shift in how people thought about everything.
Is this something I actually said, though? Because if I said something like this I was full of ****.
06-26-2017 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
Does anyone have a reason why distribution based on need is inherently authoritarian?
Nobody is saying it is. The y axis of that chart even implies that it isn't an inherent part.
06-26-2017 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
Is this something I actually said, though? Because if I said something like this I was full of ****.
I could be wrong. I'll do a search when I'm on my computer later.
06-26-2017 , 02:19 PM
distribution based on "need" isn't inherently authoritarian

only if forced on people

like anything else

Also it's just weird to only view that statement on its on

Last edited by pwnsall; 06-26-2017 at 02:26 PM.
06-26-2017 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
I feel like 5 people came in and sidestepped the actual question. I asked how distributing resources based on need was authoritarian. The way a society actually goes about accomplishing that goal is a separate question, to which there are lots of answers. But just like capitalism ostensibly distributes production based on how much one produces, another system might distribute production based on what someone needs. The attack of "well capitalism doesn't ACTUALLY distribute based on a meritocracy" is a true but separate critique. So lets just take the goals at face value and talk about the implementation separately. Because obviously anything done in an authoritarian manner is authoritarian (duh?).

Does anyone have a reason why distribution based on need is inherently authoritarian?
No more than we have a reason you shouldn't ride a unicorn, bro.
06-26-2017 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
Is this something I actually said, though? Because if I said something like this I was full of ****.
You've insulted and abused anyone who suggested that making things better was better than waiting for the proletariat to decide you're right.
06-26-2017 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by pwnsall
distribution based on "need" isn't inherently authoritarian

only if forced on people

like anything else

Also it's just weird to only view that statement on its on
No ****. The idea that this and this alone was what Stalin did is untenable.
06-26-2017 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by pwnsall
distribution based on "need" isn't inherently authoritarian

only if forced on people

like anything else
So wouldnt that make any distribution method authoritarian? Like whatever method that is used no one really has the choice to opt out of. Makes your argument seem a bit circular.

Society in general needs a method. And whatever method that is used is not one you can choose not to participate in.

      
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