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06-15-2017 , 09:24 AM
I look forward to the head explosions that will commence once Mueller finds no criminal wrongdoing on Trump's part.
06-15-2017 , 09:25 AM
Oh, and two months earlier in New Hampshire

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/3...n-child-brides
06-15-2017 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by master3004
You said that there was evidence that Trump didnt obstruct justice.
1. Quote the post or
2. Apologize and retract.

Last edited by Zorkman; 06-15-2017 at 09:28 AM. Reason: The government has the burden of proof, at least in MY America.
06-15-2017 , 09:30 AM
But Clinton lied about getting a bj, so ....
06-15-2017 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
You're right:




The AG's termination authority is not absolute, though. See Nader v. Bork (holding the firing by the AG of the special prosecutor into the Nixon controversy illegal). Granted, the exact contours of the SP office have changed since then, but the general precedent, I believe, still holds - unless they aren't doing their job and correctly, you can't touch them.
If the Left insists on trying to make a martyr of Trump in terms of this witch-hunt, it will succeed only in:

1. failing to prove criminal wrongdoing on his part and
2. making him even more sympathetic as we head into the mid-terms, for which the map looks bad for Democrats in the House and even worse for Democrats in the Senate (not to mention the effect on 2020).
06-15-2017 , 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
But Clinton lied about getting a bj, so ....
I don't care what he lied about, and neither should you.
06-15-2017 , 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
The first litigation lesson I ever learned: "story beats no story"
You had a poor teacher then.

The first lesson you should have learned is who has the burden and the presumption of innocence.

And don't use "litigation" to conflate criminal with civil.
06-15-2017 , 09:36 AM
Did you hear about the terminally ill cancer patient who wanted to hear the roar of Harleys before he died? Get the tissue box. Feel good story of the day. No link. Go find it.
06-15-2017 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Zorkman
CNN is reporting that Mueller is investigating Donald Trump for obstruction of justice.

Interesting this got leaked after it has become clear there is no evidence for this.

I hope Trump does fire Mueller. Comey and Mueller, don't let the door hit you on your way out!
You stated "It has become clear there is no evidence for this." What is the evidence that there is no evidence of obstruction of justice?
06-15-2017 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
I think you are conflating the inter-/intra- distinction, here.
No, I do understand that you think Americans are worth more than anyone else.
06-15-2017 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
Isn't the whole point of a "special prosecutor" that Trump cannot fire him?
He can direct the AAG to fire him and then fire the AAG if he won't. It's what Nixon did.
06-15-2017 , 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by master3004
unpossible, what about pizzagate!

And yes, this happened last month in Joisey and is crazy

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN1872VB

"Republican Chris Christie, a supporter of President Donald Trump, said such a ban would conflict with religious customs."

Who

****ing

caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaares
Mr Christie has clearly forgotten that the US is not a theocracy.
06-15-2017 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Zorkman
You had a poor teacher then.

The first lesson you should have learned is who has the burden and the presumption of innocence.

And don't use "litigation" to conflate criminal with civil.
Not all conflation is improper. Both criminal and civil law are carried out via litigation.

The burden is also upon the complaining party, and the presumption is the other side of the same coin. This is not a litigation lesson, though. It is a fundamental of jurisprudence.


I don't know of any sphere where a burden must be satisfied in order to carry out an investigation, as you seem to be demanding. There are requirements for the issuance of search warrants, but afaiu, some of these have already been deemed satisfied by the courts in this thing.
06-15-2017 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Zorkman
You had a poor teacher then.

The first lesson you should have learned is who has the burden and the presumption of innocence.

And don't use "litigation" to conflate criminal with civil.
Nobody here has said Trump has been proven guilty of anything yet. Aren't you the one who is trying to supercede the burden of evidence by calling this a witch hunt when no evidence has yet been presented by those investigating?
06-15-2017 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Zorkman
I don't care what he lied about, and neither should you.
Yeah, so first - wow.

The GOP ripped itself apart going after him (paving the way for the Bush II era).

Everyone should care what a president lies about.
06-15-2017 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Monkey Banana
No, I do understand that you think Americans are worth more than anyone else.


Now you seem to be confusing me with someone who believes in quantifiable, absolute, intrinsic value.
06-15-2017 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Monkey Banana
He can direct the AAG to fire him and then fire the AAG if he won't. It's what Nixon did.
right, and the S. Ct. said that was illegal
06-15-2017 , 09:52 AM
I for one applaud this newfound interest in how the laws of or country work

It's a pity that the same people wanted to lock Hillary up after the investigation was closed and found no criminal wrongdoing.

Oh well, I'm sure they learned and will never ever make the mistake of falsely criminalizing anything again
06-15-2017 , 10:41 AM
For all the crocodile tears about how abhorrent this violent rhetoric from the left is, a subtle reminder that it's all bull**** designed for their own political survival and should be taken as the verbal dung heap that it is:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/u...y-clinton.html
06-15-2017 , 01:18 PM
This kingdom we are in is the ancient homeland of the Incas, who left it very imprudently to go and subjugate part of the world, and who were finally destroyed by the Spaniards.
06-15-2017 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf


Now you seem to be confusing me with someone who believes in quantifiable, absolute, intrinsic value.
By saying that you hold Americans relatively more valuable? Ho hum.
06-15-2017 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DWetzel
I for one applaud this newfound interest in how the laws of or country work

It's a pity that the same people wanted to lock Hillary up after the investigation was closed and found no criminal wrongdoing.

Oh well, I'm sure they learned and will never ever make the mistake of falsely criminalizing anything again
Ah yes but now they are suggesting Comey went beyond the bounds by saying there was nothing to prosecute.

The principle of a policeman saying they would not hand a case to the prosecutor because there was no crime is too difficult for Republicans.

But it did afford us the marvellous spectacle of a senile man demanding to know why Hillary Clinton was cleared of collusion with Russia and Trump wasn't.
06-15-2017 , 01:55 PM
I mean, Trump himself was alluding to shooting Hillary if they lost the election

Rand Paul was reminding people that the Second Amendment was there to shoot government officials

When Gabby Giffords got shot, there was no call from the right to rein in their lunatic fringe

But yeah, the left is the only problem. **** off.
06-15-2017 , 02:01 PM
And people on the right (including specifically our own Zorkman) were calling for Hillary to be "locked up" (or worse) both before the investigation was concluded, and after it was announced that the investigation was closed without any charges

The stance on the rule of law is obvious, and it doesn't agree with their lies coming out of people's mouths today; their stance is "how can I bludgeon people into something that's beneficial to me personally, and **** the integrity of the system"

Well, guess what, that work both ways. At the risk of dating myself, as the old drug PSA from the 1980s said, "we learned it by watching you".
06-15-2017 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DWetzel

When Gabby Giffords got shot, there was no call from the right to rein in their lunatic fringe

But yeah, the left is the only problem. **** off.
I forgot giffords was shot by a david duke supporter

Oh wait no it was by someone who took hallucinogens everyday.

Get your facts before telling people to **** off

      
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