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10-28-2008 , 01:10 AM

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according to the liberal media that gave the obama answers ldo

Mets,

You really believe the media is liberal?

10-28-2008 , 01:14 AM

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Mets,

You really believe the media is liberal?

OMG, You ever watch CNN?

Read the LA Times?

10-28-2008 , 01:14 AM

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Mets,

You really believe the media is liberal?

level?

10-28-2008 , 01:16 AM

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I'm trying to figure out if you're leveling me

I thought the myth of the liberal media was something people stopped believing in around the time they stopped believing in santa claus

actually, I think I'm more interested in whether the actual liberals in this thread (WN, MT, Kokiri) believe that the media is liberal

this actually ties into what I was saying yesterday about the center- and how it is defined. The myth of the liberal media goes a hell of a long way in defining the center

10-28-2008 , 01:22 AM

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dustin

you are insane

of course the media is biased in general

just as foxnews is conservatively biased

but the vast majority of the media is biased bigtime

and i still think you are leveling me

10-28-2008 , 01:25 AM

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I've been watching alot of cable news lately and my feeling is that MSNBC is biased to the left, Fox News is biased to the right, and CNN is pretty centrist atm

I haven't watched network news since I was like 12 so I have no idea about them

edit - I do think Fox is the most obviously biased and the most strongly biased though.

10-28-2008 , 01:28 AM

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john edwards affair not being picked up by any network is one simple example

every palin gaffe being shown on every network, but biden gaffes and obama gaffes are only found on youtube

even stupid shows like the view -- question mccain on palin and abortion, and ask obama to dance for them

etc etc etc

10-28-2008 , 01:30 AM

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this thread started with me saying how the entire media was lying to us about Russia-Georgia

unfortunately thats not really a left-right issue since both the left and the right are also lying

then we had the bailout.

The entire media pimped the bailout really hard. Sure there were stories about how so much of the public was opposed to it, but the media did a good job of trying to convince the public that it was needed

but again, that wasn't really a left-right issue either since both the left and the right supported the bailout

hmmmm

10-28-2008 , 01:31 AM

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cnn is biased too. not nearly as bad as msnbc, but they are def biased especially about palin

msnbc -- olberman is a joke

and of course, fox news is uberbiased to the right, and thats why anyone who is conservative at all watches it because that is the only tv news outlet that isnt leftwing. period

newspapers are about 80/20 liberal as well

10-28-2008 , 01:33 AM

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the bailout might be the most socialist leftwing thing we have ever done in this country. of course the media was in favor of it

when it failed, they blamed the republicans when only 60% of the dems voted for it. Every network said "the republicans dont care if you lose your homes!!!!" when again, 40% of the dems voted against it and the dems could have passdd it themselves .. but they did NOT want ownership because thye knew it wouldnt help the economy

10-28-2008 , 01:35 AM

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dustin did you watch the debates?

10-28-2008 , 01:35 AM

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Typical CNN evening:

Story one: Obama is gaining momentum in the polls
Story two: McCain/Palin out of touch with voters, they then sample random people quoting how they dislike McCain and his message
Story three: Obama "preaches" to a cheering crowd of over 100,000 people

Yeah, CNN isn't bias... LOLOLOLOLOL

10-28-2008 , 01:36 AM

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So what does that mean that the bailout was socialist left wing?

It was about distributing wealth downwards? Robbing from the rich to give to the poor?

I'm trying to understand how you think the bailout was a liberal act? You think that Bush/Paulson/Goldman Sachs are liberal socialists?

10-28-2008 , 01:40 AM

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the capitalist thing to do would be to let capitilism works. if banks are gonna go out of business, let em.
The govt forcing banks to sell and getting involved is socialism no matter how you cut it

10-28-2008 , 01:42 AM

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bush supporting it is ridiculous btw. he did because he must have felt somewhat responsible for pressuring the banks to give these ridiculous loans

10-28-2008 , 01:42 AM

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the bailout might be the most socialist leftwing thing we have ever done in this country.

This is fairly extreme hyperbole imo

We did a lot of stuff during the great depression that was borderline communism and we have a tendency to do Socialist-type stuff every time we have an economic crisis.

Also I'm not even sure "socialist left-wing" is the correct way to describe it when you consider that it was targeted mostly at very rich people (and very large companies). I'm sure there's a good word for it in the political lexicon somewhere but I'm not entirely sure what that word is

10-28-2008 , 01:43 AM

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Lol at people still arguing the same old left/right stuff. I don't see enough of a difference to even care about such an argument.

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So what does that mean that the bailout was socialist left wing?

Of course it was, lol.

10-28-2008 , 01:46 AM

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Lol at people still arguing the same old left/right stuff. I don't see enough of a difference to even care about such an argument.

thats the point
surely you understand that I know that

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I'm sure there's a good word for it in the political lexicon somewhere but I'm not entirely sure what that word is

fascism is what you're looking for

10-28-2008 , 01:46 AM

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We did a lot of stuff during the great depression that was borderline communism and we have a tendency to do Socialist-type stuff every time we have an economic crisis.

this is true. doesnt dispute anything else i said

how about when the media announced gore the president? how much news was there about voter fraud from the republicans that year. what does the average american know about the acorn scandal this year if they only watch the mainstream media?

10-28-2008 , 01:48 AM

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thats the point
surely you understand that I know that

dustin

i admit that both sides are closer than most people think

but thats not really the point you are trying to make, is it? cause then you are just wasting my time

10-28-2008 , 01:49 AM

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does the entire mainstream media not blame george bush for the economic crisis? and havent you admitted how ridiculous that is?

10-28-2008 , 01:49 AM

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I also don't get why the media is supposed to be unbiased.

10-28-2008 , 01:49 AM

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You can call me a standard liberal if you want but I think voter suppression is a larger problem than voter fraud in this country by several orders of magnitude. As for the rest of it, announcing Gore the president had more to do with lousy exit polling than any media bias. Both Bush and Gore were convinced for basically the entire day that Gore had won that election

10-28-2008 , 01:51 AM

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I also don't get why the media is supposed to be unbiased.

i would like it to be, but i never said that they have to be. I just get annoyed when they act like they are unbiased, and they are not.

10-28-2008 , 01:52 AM

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dustin

i admit that both sides are closer than most people think

but thats not really the point you are trying to make, is it? cause then you are just wasting my time

I'm never wasting your time.

What I'd like you to admit is that both sides are actually just two sides of the same coin

that isn't going to happen though

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