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It's a simple solution.

I gived it a 4

I'd vote Libertarian for President in a heartbeat if their candidates weren't always a first rate nutjob.
I do need to spend a few minutes learning about the local elections - I suspect I'll vote Libertarian for all the Judges. This is a pretty Red county, and all the races here tend to be between the Republicans and the Libertarians.

Herbie, explain to me the craziness of Bob Barr and Cynthia McKinney.

Seriously and honestly, unless McCain pulls this thing out somehow, the Republican Party is going to be lost in the weeds for a long, long time barring a scandalous or thoroughly inept Obama first term. Eight years of Bush thoroughly poisoned the Republican brand in general, and McCain's current campaign strategy is absolutely toxic with moderates and independents.

If McCain loses as he's currently projected to, combined with Republican House and Senate losses, there's going to be a huge fight over the direction of the party between the different wings of the party. Given how the demographics of America are expected to shift over the next 8-12 years (both in terms of race and age), the longer that the far-right social conservatives remain relevant, the worse off they'll be. The sooner they embrace a mixed/semi-moderate social agenda and a milder version of the libertarian fiscal agenda, they better off they'll be.

Cynthia McKinney is a 9/11 truther so she is obviously insane because no rational person could believe in those things even though many seemingly rational people do.

I don't know about Bob Barr but he is really fundamentalist, correct?

some Cynthia McKinney youtube videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr5np6SD8oo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8Hp02eyNnI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eootfzAhAoU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLGkEwVH9g4

the only real issue i have with mckinney is when i read something where she said blacks still deserve more reperations or something to that effect

and bob baar is basically a republican afair

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Cynthia McKinney is a 9/11 truther so she is obviously insane because no rational person could believe in those things even though many seemingly rational people do.[/qutoe]

They do seem rational, at first glance, anyway.

Four years is a LONG time.

In 2000, people were saying the Conservatives were dead in Canada, and there would be Liberal governments forevermore, basically what you just said about the Repubs

3 years later, the Conservatives won a convincing Minority, and then last week won an even stronger one. Very different systems, but in Politics, things change fast, especially since for a sizable chunk of the next four years the economy is going to blow.

regardless of what obama does the economy will still suck for the next few years, which could be good for the republicans

but i agree with mt that if the religious right really keeps control of the party, it will be tough for the republicans to do well

there will likely be a dem president and fairly decisive majorities in the house and senate. And if the economy doesnt recover, which will remain to be seen, i would think the repubs will at least get one house back (senate) in 012 or maybe even 010

i would love to see a more centrist republican party

U.S. Navy Ship on fire in the Persian Gulf?

this is apparently being reported by Press TV which is Russian- I don't know where else the story is yet

http://www.infowars.com/?p=5432

apparently U.S. military officials haven't commented

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...onid=351020205

Press TV is actually Iranian and not Russian

that snl palin video is real funny

Well Dow dropping another 50% after the election and it being blamed on Obama should get him out of office fairly quickly IMO

Politically Incorrect Guide To Politics

Dude, warn us all to duck before you launch a grenade like that

thank you clown, watched parts 1-4 so far, loved them all especially 2

The warning is contained in the thread title

No kidding.

British humanist society sponsors bus ads saying, "There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life." and raises a truck load more cash than they were aiming for in the first day:

http://getitquietly.blogspot.com/200...old-woman.html
http://www.justgiving.com/atheistbus...#donationtable

I realized while trying to write a response to this that my memory of specifics is terrible and I'm probably not the best person to answer this. Dustin gave a pretty good answer on McKinney - all I have to add is that her position on 9-11 fits in perfectly with her basic world view that the republican party is basically an evil conspiracy trying to take over the world at the expense of everybody else.

In the 90's Bob Barr was essentially everything that Democrats try to accuse Republicans of being. IIRC his basic position when he was a Congressman was that the Government had absolutely no business telling you what to do with your life or your money as long as you weren't foreign, female, gay, a minority, a drug user, a liberal, or in any way different from Bob Barr. It's amazing to me that his positions have apparently changed on many civil liberties issues over the past decade or so - it's certainly how he got the libertarian nomination because they never would have nominated the Bob Barr I remember. He used to be passionately intolerant and I often got the feeling listening to him speak that he used the politics of fear, hatred, and division more than anyone I had ever seen. I guess he's changed? I dunno if people can really change that much.

So I learned about something interesting today. I had never heard about this before.

The planned memorial for Flight 93 in Shanksville, PA- or outside of there I suppose- has victims family members up in arms because they say that its basically a homage to Islam

The memorial is actually called The Crescent of Embrace , and the whole thing is shaped like a giant red crescent (which of course is the symbol of Islam)

Here is a youtube video on it and from there you can see a bunch more videos that i haven't watched
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBCza2LnCY4

Apparently some family members don't want their loved ones names on the plaques, etc- thats how upset they are.

I think the human need for memorials at all says a lot about our psychology.

Frankly, I don't get it. But I generally keep that thought to myself since a lot of people find it insensitive.

If they don't want the names on the plaques....don't put the names on the plaques.

What they could do is to construct a star within the circle of the crescent and list the names of those families on the star.