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08-19-2017 , 10:25 AM
The chance that my future self does not exist affects my calculus wrt borrowing money. Not totally, but some.
08-19-2017 , 11:55 AM
Bannon and the mooch won't even be trivial pursuits expert edition answers.
08-19-2017 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Zorkman
whatever, Monkey
So we talk serious and you have nothing. Not surprised.

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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
The chance that my future self does not exist affects my calculus wrt borrowing money. Not totally, but some.
This is a realm of abstract where no one actually resides
08-19-2017 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Monkey Banana
I think the reason you cannot see how inflation fits into that is you're thinking of inflation in the wrong way. You are thinking of how much a basket of goods costs.
contraction obviously effects inflation. that's because there's less supply of money.

but fyi, the government calculates inflation in a certain way. maybe you didn't know that.

also, there's no we. smh. you're alone.
08-19-2017 , 11:31 PM
This is the best commentary I have read in years.

I hope Kobach wins his race for governor.
08-20-2017 , 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by jonnyd
a lot of the middle class purchasing power has gone with the rise of personal debt (especially in the form of student loans)

Debt (more specifically loans with interest) are a large transfer of wealth from the non wealthy to the wealthy. Not a criticism btw just a statement of fact.
The percent people are paying on debt as a percent of their income is near 40 year lows.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TDSP

I'm not sure what you are trying to prove with your second paragraph. It should be pretty obvious that more non-wealthy people are getting loans and more wealthy people are loaning since people looking for a loan usual don't have the money they'd like and people making loans typically have more money than they currently need. How is this not like saying the oil trade is a transfer of oil from oil rich counties to non-oil rich countries.
08-20-2017 , 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Monkey Banana
A problem is that the money you pay in servicing debt is not used to facilitate economic activity, which you would use it for. It's used to increase capital even further. Once you have spent the money you are left with shackles that prevent your full economic expression. And the capital your debt turns into is not used.
The money you use to pay off your debt is going back into the economy. If you loan me $10k and I pay you back $11k I first used that $10k in the economy and then you will put that $11k back into the economy.
08-20-2017 , 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Zorkman
This is the best commentary I have read in years.

I hope Kobach wins his race for governor.
Maybe I'll try to read a Zorkman link...oh wait it's breitbart...nevermind
08-20-2017 , 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
The money you use to pay off your debt is going back into the economy. If you loan me $10k and I pay you back $11k I first used that $10k in the economy and then you will put that $11k back into the economy.
I can't tell you how glad I am you've decided to tard up our thread
08-20-2017 , 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Myrologue
contraction obviously effects inflation. that's because there's less supply of money.

but fyi, the government calculates inflation in a certain way. maybe you didn't know that.

also, there's no we. smh. you're alone.
I think it's better to leave you in blissful ignorance. You should talk to bahbahmickey.
08-20-2017 , 09:19 AM
Trump got the kitchen sink thrown at him this past week, yet his approval rating when up from 34% last week to 38% by Thursday (Gallup).

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But it’s also a reminder that to have any chance at uniting the country, political leaders need to do their best at persuading a skeptical public of the rightness of their views—and not mock, shame, or dismiss people who hold different opinions. When the elites are so at odds with the public on issues of great consequence, a dose of humility may be in order.
--Gallup Daily Tracking

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And keep in mind that while 38% approval is not stellar, do you know when else Trump had a 38% approval rating? November 8, 2016.
--streiff of Redstate, a colleague of twoplustwo's very own Neil S

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1-Election Day 2016, Trump ran 8 points above his national favorability rating (38% in exit polls). 15% of "unfav Trump" voters voted Trump
- Dan McLaughlin

By the way, Redstate is a conservative analysis site at which most of their mods/writers hate Trump, and only one is ambivalent about him (streiff).
08-20-2017 , 09:23 AM
random thought:

If it hadn't been for the Comey letter, Trump wouldn't have won Wisconsin. They hate corruption in Wisconsin, while next door Illinois is a cesspool of it. Two equally liberal states, two different outcomes.
08-20-2017 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Monkey Banana
I can't tell you how glad I am you've decided to tard up our thread
So instead of debating me on the issue you decide to say this? Remind which one of us is ruining the thread.

For the record what you said is a personal attack. What I said, while it does make you look stupid, is not a personal attack since I attacked your stupid argument.
08-20-2017 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
So instead of debating me on the issue you decide to say this? Remind which one of us is ruining the thread.

For the record what you said is a personal attack. What I said, while it does make you look stupid, is not a personal attack since I attacked your stupid argument.
You...you...you conservative, you!
08-20-2017 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
So instead of debating me on the issue you decide to say this? Remind which one of us is ruining the thread.

For the record what you said is a personal attack. What I said, while it does make you look stupid, is not a personal attack since I attacked your stupid argument.
At least I'm smart enough to know I don't give a ****.

I'm not "debating" you on anything. I'm just going to take the piss out of you when you're here and then totally forget you when you're gone.
08-20-2017 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Zorkman
random thought:

If it hadn't been for the Comey letter, Trump wouldn't have won Wisconsin. They hate corruption in Wisconsin, while next door Illinois is a cesspool of it. Two equally liberal states, two different outcomes.
There's a school of thought that you're irredeemably stupid, that you really are a venal Nazi. This is the kind of post that makes me think that you recently suffered a serious head injury. It's almost as though you think "hmm, what's the most wrong thing I can post" and then go for it.

Wisconsin has a Republican assembly, a Republican senate, a Republican governor, splits its federal senate seats one each and splits its representatives 5-3 R-D. Rabid granny-starving nutjob Paul Ryan is from Wisconsin, did you know?

Illinois has a Democratic assembly, a Democratic senate, a Republican governor, two Democratic senators and splits its representativs 11-8 Democratic. Chicago is famously liberal.

So you're just wrong. Again.
08-20-2017 , 10:02 AM
Also, that Trump's approval is supposed to have risen in the past week is small comfort. He appeals to Nazis?

What's clear is that he has become steadily unpopular the longer he's been in office:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...oval-6179.html

Not much sign of a huge rise if you drill down. Note that there's a margin of error in all polls. Note too that not long ago both Trump and you were telling us that polls are utter nonsense.

Several people want you banned from this thread. One in particular will burn the thread down to get you banned.

I won't do it. But tbh, you've got a choice. Both your last two posts are beyond terrible. You either know nothing or you're straight trolling. Neither really brings a smile to my face. If someone asked me to exclude you on the basis that I have the choice that you are lying to try to upset liberals or you are just so stupid you cannot help it, I'd be tempted. I'd go so far as to say, you're close to the line, perhaps two strikes and you may well have fouled off the third.

So don't. It might be amusing you but you and your enemies have already wrecked this thread. Which I worked hard to fix. Take more care not to repeat rightist propaganda, particularly when it's plain wrong.
08-20-2017 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Zorkman
Trump got the kitchen sink thrown at him this past week, yet his approval rating when up from 34% last week to 38% by Thursday (Gallup).

--Gallup Daily Tracking

--streiff of Redstate, a colleague of twoplustwo's very own Neil S

- Dan McLaughlin

By the way, Redstate is a conservative analysis site at which most of their mods/writers hate Trump, and only one is ambivalent about him (streiff).


Meh, this is terrible analysis of data. It's bad to look at single results in a vacuum, let alone comparing them to cherry picked other single polls (especially ones in a different context, president vs candidate)

http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/ga...-approval.aspx

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...atings/voters/

Trump is low enough that it probably requires continual ongoing feet in mouth to avoid a reversion to some mean. Nixon was at 29% iirc when he resigned, so an alternative reading of those single data points is he's about 5-10ppts above "take ball, go home".
08-20-2017 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Monkey Banana
Also, that Trump's approval is supposed to have risen in the past week is small comfort. He appeals to Nazis?

What's clear is that he has become steadily unpopular the longer he's been in office:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...oval-6179.html

Not much sign of a huge rise if you drill down. Note that there's a margin of error in all polls. Note too that not long ago both Trump and you were telling us that polls are utter nonsense.

Several people want you banned from this thread. One in particular will burn the thread down to get you banned.

I won't do it. But tbh, you've got a choice. Both your last two posts are beyond terrible. You either know nothing or you're straight trolling. Neither really brings a smile to my face. If someone asked me to exclude you on the basis that I have the choice that you are lying to try to upset liberals or you are just so stupid you cannot help it, I'd be tempted. I'd go so far as to say, you're close to the line, perhaps two strikes and you may well have fouled off the third.

So don't. It might be amusing you but you and your enemies have already wrecked this thread. Which I worked hard to fix. Take more care not to repeat rightist propaganda, particularly when it's plain wrong.
nah bro if you think today's posts are not allowed then go ahead and ban me right now
08-20-2017 , 10:40 AM
And oh by the way, Wisconsin is liberal. Other than the Comey letter changing the pattern, Wisconsin hasn't gone for a Republican since Nixon stole the 1972 election.

omg I said a liberal thing in a post, that a Republican stole an election, the world is on fire

here's the thought process behind the scenes by the way:

--let's ban Zork

--why

--I don't know, my snowflakiness is melting, isn't that good enough?

--ok but for what

--I don't know, just pick a post and make up some evil motive behind it and hang it on that hook

--oh ok, but isnt what he is saying just garden-variety conseratism of the type that most Trump voters agree with?

--details!
08-20-2017 , 10:44 AM
It is hard to quantify the impact of the Comey letter. It seems reasonable to think that it did have significant impact but how much would be impossible to say.

I don't think corruption vs anti anti corruption would be the reason behind the differences between Illinois and Wisconsin though.
08-20-2017 , 10:44 AM
Since I'm not "straight trolling," you must equate conservatism with "know nothing." Fun Fact: There was once a political party called the know-nothings.

History repeats, apparently.

I get it that you left-wingers don't have the energy to deal with the fact that when you try to argue against what I say you come up empty, it angers you, so you lash out by silencing the opposition.

You have the power in some places, like here.

We have it where it counts.

I've adjusted the outer bounds of what I post about to dramatically shrink in compliance with expectations, only to find that even that isn't good enough, apparently, today.

Today's posting is well within the bounds, and you know it. But if you already decided to RE-RE-AMEND (YES twice) the punishment for a post that was nothingburger in the first place, then go ahead and beclown yourselves.
08-20-2017 , 10:45 AM
nice knowing you luckbox, I'm being framed for being a conservative, youre next
08-20-2017 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Zorkman
nice knowing you luckbox, I'm being framed for being a conservative, youre next
I've been called worse
08-20-2017 , 10:57 AM
No, they want you banned for repeating a far-right meme. Which you did.

I asked you whether you did it on purpose, which I would forgive, or whether you genuinely believed what you said, which I will not. In the latter case, you've misled me.

But I did note to you that you can pose as a martyr. Even though, as far as I can see, you're still here and you're thoroughly unrepentant.

Luckbox is in no danger of getting banned. Casual antisemitism doesn't upset liberals as much as peddling Nazi fairy tales.

      
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