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Old 12-19-2009, 12:01 AM   #91
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I bought an edition of Clampitt's poems because of your recommendation quite some time ago. I like her poetry a great deal.

And of course I have no idea who Shelly is, I'd want Shelley's poetry.
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you have no idea how happy that makes me
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Start a literature thread FFS
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Old 12-19-2009, 12:51 AM   #94
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we once had something that could have been the start of one, I searched for it, but I don't think it made it over from the archive server
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Old 12-19-2009, 07:43 AM   #95
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GEB is one of the 5 books I'd take with me to a desert island along with Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Homer, an edition of Shakespeare, and a book of Shelley's poetry.
i bought a second hand copy of D&F a while back, it didn't stick.

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ohh. I'm doing mine

The Waves by Virginia Woolf.
No other book has affected me as much

The Blue Cliff Record

Complete Poems of Amy Clampitt
would need a thick dictionary to go with it

War and Peace
have gotten 1/4 of the way through it twice. Would like to actually finish it someday.

Complete Rilke
Its Rilke
I struggled with mine - here's a first three:
A Raymond Chandler novel, not sure hwich one, maybe the Little Sister, or The Long Goodbye. I don't there are any books i've reread more often as RC - maybe the hungry caterpillar
The Wizard of Earthsea, by Ursula Le Guin. Maybe a con given it's 4 novels, but it's a coherent whole imo. ULG's science fiction is awesome, too, and remarkably undervalued imo. John Wyndham's science fiction - The Kraken Wakes in particular is tremendous but they're short and i don;t want to scam a 'complete works' into the 5 books
The Pillow Book, Sei Shonagon, it's a miscellany of aristocratic life in medieval japan, it's poetic and funny and full of sex.

Some belated Christmas reading ideas:
Cultural Amnesia - I don't know if you have CLive James in america: he's an australian guy best known as a quirky amusing tv presenter, but really he's actually a candidate for the world's smartest person not named amplify, and is astoundingly knowledgable and interesting. His autobiogs are supposed to be very good but this is a collection of short articles on major figures of the twentieth century. He is very interested in the phenomenon of totalitarian regimes, but he is most interesting on the subject of the vibrant cafe-centred jew-heavy literary and intellectual scene of eastern europe in the first half of C20. My original copy was missing a bunch of pages, which meant that goebbels metamorphised into goethe mid-paragraph, which was confusing. reccomendation

Tom Holland: Has written three books that i know of - one on the Roman Republic, one on the battles between the greeks and the persians
and one i'm reading now on christianity around 1000ad. He's interesting and smart (although i am no expert on the periods he writes about) and the subjects are amazing. I'd quite like to read Mary Beard's book on pompei also, andi would recommend that any copies of Boris Johnson's books be burned (i got through like 30 pages of his book on the romans in europe and it was terrible)

Under the Frog by Tibor Fischer. I always reccomend this book, because if anyone hasn't read it yet they should. Basketball, romance and rebellion behind the iron curtain, the funniest sadest book ever.


in ur philosophy thredd, posting about literature.
I've always found the need to read philosophy from the bottom up as a major factor preventing me from being bothered to do it much.
all i know about heidigger is that he influenced a lot of the japanese philosophers, and that a lot of the chicago u taught japanologists write crap about him alot which is really annoying.
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Philosophy: Plato is the root of all evil
omg this!
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omg i have a lot of catching up to do!! Will read this thread later on.
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I'm currently reading historical fiction of Rome by Coleen McCullough. The first book in the series is The First Man in Rome, which concentrates mostly on Gaius Marius and Sulla, with diversions into how apartment buildings worked, and a lovely chapter on Cornelia, mother of the Gracchi. Highest recommendation.

I'm also reading The Sleepwalkers by Arthur Koestler. It's a history of scientific paradigms and outstanding.
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I dont like utilitarian ethics but I dont like deontological ethics either
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Old 12-19-2009, 07:42 PM   #101
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you're also metaphysical dualists

being a moral dualist isn't really a big deal

being a metaphysical dualist is, imo
Would you mind explaining that?
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Old 12-19-2009, 07:44 PM   #102
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Imre Lakatos.
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popper's model of science is great, but i don't think you should take it too seriously. Read Kuhn and the golem to get good alternative insights.
as of now that is on my next book buying list
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please expand
clown is an incredibly parsimonious poster. i wish he would expand on a lot of the telegraphic stuff he says but instead we just get the footnotes
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Old 12-19-2009, 07:50 PM   #104
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sadly, this margin was too narrow

"metaphysical dualist" means ontological dualist, I'm thinking, i.e thinking that there exists fundamentally more than one type of stuff, the types typically being physical and something else, where the something else is the stuff of spirit or soul or what have you.

I don't think Dustin's idea of a non-dual ontology would necessarily be scientific materialism though.
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Old 12-19-2009, 07:54 PM   #105
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Christians believe (for the most part) in the supernatural.

I think the idea is absurd. I'll try and elaborate a little more later.

There are really two major dualisms that Christians are guilty of.

natural/supernatural and self/soul

by thinking the way they do, they really cut themselves off from understanding the craziness that is reality.

i also reject the idea of the supernatural on logical grounds. which i suppose i could get into more detail in but the arguments are rather trite
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