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12-20-2009 , 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
im asking how many times he calls himself the messiah. Is that once? Is that what i was thinking of?
It may dismay you, but unfortunately I cannot know what you were thinking my friend.
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12-20-2009 , 12:03 AM
This is from John 4 (the story of Jesus and the Samaritan woman at the well)

19"Sir," the woman said, "I can see that you are a prophet. 20Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem."

21Jesus declared, "Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

25The woman said, "I know that Messiah" (called Christ) "is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us."

26Then Jesus declared, "I who speak to you am he."
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12-20-2009 , 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by well named
I think there's a little fuzziness between belief in the supernatural and some fully developed metaphysics. Almost noone bothers about metaphysics anymore. What I mean is I think theoretically you could believe in the kinds of things that are called "supernatural" without requiring a metaphysics which posits them all as physically ineffable or irreducible, not that I'm going to try to do so :P
And some confuse metaphyics with tea leaves, incantations and bubble,bubble toil and trouble.
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12-20-2009 , 12:06 AM
is that the only time in the new testament lsc -
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12-20-2009 , 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
is that the only time in the new testament lsc -
I guess I'm not exactly sure what you're asking about. Are you looking for times where he explicitly uses the word Christ/Messiah, times where he makes claims to being the Son of God, or something else?
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12-20-2009 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by lsc1022
This is from John 4 (the story of Jesus and the Samaritan woman at the well)

19"Sir," the woman said, "I can see that you are a prophet. 20Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem."

21Jesus declared, "Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

25The woman said, "I know that Messiah" (called Christ) "is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us."

26Then Jesus declared, "I who speak to you am he."
Jesus is the functional equivalent of Yoda.
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12-20-2009 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by DiggertheDog
Jesus is the functional equivalent of Yoda.
Jesus would never have to settle for a draw in a lightsaber duel with Count Dooku
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12-20-2009 , 12:11 AM
Every man is born as many men and dies as a single one.
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12-20-2009 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Christians believe (for the most part) in the supernatural.

I think the idea is absurd. I'll try and elaborate a little more later.

There are really two major dualisms that Christians are guilty of.

natural/supernatural and self/soul

by thinking the way they do, they really cut themselves off from understanding the craziness that is reality.

i also reject the idea of the supernatural on logical grounds. which i suppose i could get into more detail in but the arguments are rather trite
"All generous thought is threatened by its own Stalinism."
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12-20-2009 , 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by DiggertheDog
Oh the humanity.
If only we had a perspective to 'allow' us to believe anything.

Leads us down a slippery slope to a subjective abyss, dear shepherd.
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Originally Posted by DiggertheDog
Size matters when wielding the evangelical sword apparently.
trolling?
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12-20-2009 , 12:22 AM
No.

It is my interpretation of the implication of your assertions.

The observations might be subversive but not trollish.
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12-20-2009 , 12:24 AM
"Sometimes a scream is better than a thesis."
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12-20-2009 , 12:28 AM
Digger, do you just not want people to understand what you are talking about?
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12-20-2009 , 12:33 AM
My fellow traveller, Where do you need clarification?
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12-20-2009 , 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
I think the bible alone is bigger than any religious texts you will find in the buddhist religion.
Oh no. Buddhist scripture would fill a very large library. There is a simply stunning amount of scripture.
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12-20-2009 , 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by DiggertheDog
My fellow traveller, Where do you need clarification?
how about just start with a point. You made a lot of random quotes and quips up there--what are you trying to say?
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12-20-2009 , 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
nah. the book i have sitting next to me, the blue cliff record, is bigger than the bible
The Blue Cliff Record is not considered scripture afaik.
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12-20-2009 , 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by amplify
Oh no. Buddhist scripture would fill a very large library. There is a simply stunning amount of scripture.
This is most likely because there is no unified belief system in buddhism. Its a matter of definition.
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12-20-2009 , 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
how about just start with a point. You made a lot of random quotes and quips up there--what are you trying to say?
Most were comments using quotes.
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12-20-2009 , 12:37 AM
DiggertheDog,

**** off.

amp
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12-20-2009 , 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by amplify
The Blue Cliff Record is not considered scripture afaik.
but is it considered part of the canon?

*I suppose probably not

it seems canonical enough though

**and it would certainly have to be considered part of the Zen Canon....
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12-20-2009 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
This is most likely because there is no unified belief system in buddhism. Its a matter of definition.
Unity of thought is important?
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12-20-2009 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by DiggertheDog
Most were comments using quotes.
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Originally Posted by Birdman10687
how about just start with a point. You made a lot of random quotes and quips up there--what are you trying to say?
.
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12-20-2009 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by amplify
DiggertheDog,

**** off.

amp
Why?
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12-20-2009 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by DiggertheDog
Unity of thought is important?
according to organized religion, unity of BELIEF is.
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