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12-19-2009 , 10:59 PM
religion doesn't have to equate with belief

and buddhism is certainly a lot more than just prescribing ways of living anyways

and it certainly has a much larger cannon than christianity
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12-19-2009 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
and it certainly has a much larger cannon than christianity
what makes you think this? I think this is just patently false.
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12-19-2009 , 11:18 PM
idk. i just do.

i googled 'religions by canon size' but shockingly no one has taken the time to post that information on the net

i do think that there are a lot more books and writings that are deemed important in buhhism compared to christianity though
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12-19-2009 , 11:27 PM
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idk. i just do.

i googled 'religions by canon size' but shockingly no one has taken the time to post that information on the net

i do think that there are a lot more books and writings that are deemed important in buhhism compared to christianity though
This doesn't seem like it should be true to me, a number of the medieval Christians (Augustine and Aquinas in particular come to mind) were rather prolific. Anyone who doesn't consider them important for Christianity are doing it wrong imo.
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12-19-2009 , 11:28 PM
I think the bible alone is bigger than any religious texts you will find in the buddhist religion.
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12-19-2009 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by valenzuela
Jesus said he was the son of God, buddha said please dont venerate me.
I also think christianity is evil and makes people suffer and it certainly fails at providing a good ethical system, jesus otoh is awesome he would be devastated if he saw the bull**** that his cult turned into.
when did jesus say he was the son of god? And dont say at the ressurection
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12-19-2009 , 11:34 PM
Matthew 16:16-17?

also in before "prove he said it" but I'm answering this question as "when in the bible did Jesus say he was the son of God" not as "prove that Jesus existed or said anything or that it wasn't rewritten.." etc etc

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15"But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"

16Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

17Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven
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12-19-2009 , 11:35 PM
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when did jesus say he was the son of god? And dont say at the ressurection
he said it about 1000 times in the new testament.
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12-19-2009 , 11:36 PM
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Matthew 16:16-17?

also in before "prove he said it" but I'm answering this on the level of "when in the bible did Jesus say he was the son of God" not provide strong evidence that anything in the bible was actually said.
The bible comes out and calls jesus the son of god several times. I also think Jesus himself says it explicitly a few times. It is also implied many many time throughout the bible.
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12-19-2009 , 11:37 PM
you may feel free to augment my quotage, it wasn't intended to be definitive, just my off-the-top-of-my-head answer
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12-19-2009 , 11:40 PM
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I think the bible alone is bigger than any religious texts you will find in the buddhist religion.
nah. the book i have sitting next to me, the blue cliff record, is bigger than the bible
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12-19-2009 , 11:43 PM
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nah. the book i have sitting next to me, the blue cliff record, is bigger than the bible
thats like a book of prayers. Comparing that to the bible is apples and oranges.
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12-19-2009 , 11:44 PM
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you may feel free to augment my quotage, it wasn't intended to be definitive, just my off-the-top-of-my-head answer
John 3:16

"For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son so that those who loved him might not perish but instead have eternal life."
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12-19-2009 , 11:47 PM
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thats like a book of prayers. Comparing that to the bible is apples and oranges.
no. not even close. its basically a collection of case studies in Buddhist understanding
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12-19-2009 , 11:47 PM
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what is the self?
Being in time.
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12-19-2009 , 11:49 PM
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oic

I found The Holographic Universe very interesting in this respect.

It seems perfectly obvious to me that there is only one thing in the universe, which amuses itself by playing little games like making suns and Jimi Hendrix.
Why presume a singular universe?
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12-19-2009 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
Matthew 16:16-17?

also in before "prove he said it" but I'm answering this question as "when in the bible did Jesus say he was the son of God" not as "prove that Jesus existed or said anything or that it wasn't rewritten.." etc etc
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he said it about 1000 times in the new testament.
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The bible comes out and calls jesus the son of god several times. I also think Jesus himself says it explicitly a few times. It is also implied many many time throughout the bible.
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you may feel free to augment my quotage, it wasn't intended to be definitive, just my off-the-top-of-my-head answer
if that's what it says there, i believe its the only place he even says it, and even there someone else says it, and he just goes along with it

no i am not asking you to prove that Jesus existed. I believe mortal Jesus existed.
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12-19-2009 , 11:52 PM
This is from John 8, the bolded verse is a very strong claim to divinity (as evidenced by their immediate desire to stone him for blasphemy)

48The Jews answered him, "Aren't we right in saying that you are a Samaritan and demon-possessed?"

49"I am not possessed by a demon," said Jesus, "but I honor my Father and you dishonor me. 50I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge. 51I tell you the truth, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death."

52At this the Jews exclaimed, "Now we know that you are demon-possessed! Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that if anyone keeps your word, he will never taste death. 53Are you greater than our father Abraham? He died, and so did the prophets. Who do you think you are?"

54Jesus replied, "If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. 55Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and keep his word. 56Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad."

57"You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!"

58"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" 59At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
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12-19-2009 , 11:52 PM
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see...

i believe in probably a good amounts of those supernatural things (certainly the ones I've experienced)

its just I have a metaphysics that allows for it. Which was something that I was forced to adopt
Oh the humanity.
If only we had a perspective to 'allow' us to believe anything.

Leads us down a slippery slope to a subjective abyss, dear shepherd.
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12-19-2009 , 11:54 PM
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This is from John 8, the bolded verse is a very strong claim to divinity (as evidenced by their immediate desire to stone him for blasphemy)

48The Jews answered him, "Aren't we right in saying that you are a Samaritan and demon-possessed?"

49"I am not possessed by a demon," said Jesus, "but I honor my Father and you dishonor me. 50I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge. 51I tell you the truth, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death."

52At this the Jews exclaimed, "Now we know that you are demon-possessed! Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that if anyone keeps your word, he will never taste death. 53Are you greater than our father Abraham? He died, and so did the prophets. Who do you think you are?"

54Jesus replied, "If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. 55Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and keep his word. 56Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad."

57"You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!"

58"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" 59At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
Thus we return to the anthropo-centric religious claims upon our hearts and minds.
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12-19-2009 , 11:54 PM
interesting

how many times does he call himself the messiah?
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12-19-2009 , 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
religion doesn't have to equate with belief

and buddhism is certainly a lot more than just prescribing ways of living anyways

and it certainly has a much larger cannon than christianity
Size matters when wielding the evangelical sword apparently.
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12-19-2009 , 11:57 PM
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interesting

how many times does he call himself the messiah?
He is not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy.
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12-20-2009 , 12:00 AM
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He is not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy.
im asking how many times he calls himself the messiah. Is that once? Is that what i was thinking of?
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12-20-2009 , 12:01 AM
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Of course they don't.

The fruit on the tree story in Genesis presents man falling into dualism away from the Unity of God. The Fall is the condition under which sin becomes possible.
Death and Life-in-Death have diced for the ship's crew, and she (the latter) winneth the ancient Mariner.

The naked hulk alongside came,
And the twain were casting dice ;
`The game is done ! I've won ! I've won !'
Quoth she, and whistles thrice.
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