POG Philosophy and Religion thread

[diebitter]

Maybe we are all aspects of god.

[master3004]

Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

serious question for atheists and if you dont want to tard up the threads you can pm me

if you do something wrong, and don't get caught, does your conscience eat away at you?

Can you explai what you mean by something bad?

[metsandfinsfan]

i am by no means saying all atheists are bad people. def not.

i guess my point is

if you truly believe in a god who will punish you for bad things you do, then you wont do truly bad things. so if you do, you don't believe

am i wrong?

[Supine]

Are you saying the only reason you don't do bad things is that you know you will be punished if you do?

[master3004]

Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

i am by no means saying all atheists are bad people. def not.

i guess my point is

if you truly believe in a god who will punish you for bad things you do, then you wont do truly bad things. so if you do, you don't believe

am i wrong?

Thats the inherent hypocricy of religion in a nutshell in my eyes. Furthermore if you ONLY stop from doing bad things because of a threat of eternal punishment, are you really being good, or only being scared.

[metsandfinsfan]

Originally Posted by Supine

Are you saying the only reason you don't do bad things is that you know you will be punished if you do?

no.

Originally Posted by master3004

Thats the inherent hypocricy of religion in a nutshell in my eyes. Furthermore if you ONLY stop from doing bad things because of a threat of eternal punishment, are you really being good, or only being scared.

i get that too master.

i think a major purpose of religion is to stop people from doing bad things, and that ends up being good even if they stop for the wrong reasons


so lets go this way

define conscience

[pwnsall]

mets i give you permission to rationalize doing whatever you want

[TimeLady]

Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

no.

so, you agree that there are other reasons for doing good things other than fear of punishment from a God?

Haven't you just answered your own question? Atheists just don't have that one, they have the others

[Supine]

i think a major purpose of religion is to stop people from doing bad things, and that ends up being good even if they stop for the wrong reasons

Thing is nothing in the various religious text is some god-given revelation you can't work out by reason. Most humans feel instinctively that killing is wrong.

[metsandfinsfan]

Originally Posted by TimeLady

so, you agree that there are other reasons for doing good things other than fear of punishment from a God?

Haven't you just answered your own question? Atheists just don't have that one, they have the others

there are other reasons, but like i said im not sure how to define them

like i asked, define conscience.

i mean if everyone had a perfect conscience we wouldn't need laws or jails or anything

so fear of punishment has to always be part of the equation

[metsandfinsfan]

Originally Posted by Supine

Thing is nothing in the various religious text is some god-given revelation you can't work out by reason. Most humans feel instinctively that killing is wrong.

is it actually instinctive? I hope it is, but i dont know

if so, and with laws not allowing it as well, it still happens an awful lot

and define instinctive?

[Supine]

But it happens from people both religious and irreligious. Just for example, heavily christian USA and muslim Turkey has a way higher murder rate than atheist Sweden; and the punishments in USA and Turkey are much more severe. I'm not saying that its due to being more religious a country, but since you are softly implying atheists have lesser morals, please show work.

[metsandfinsfan]

Originally Posted by Supine

But it happens from people both religious and irreligious. Just for example, heavily christian USA and muslim Turkey has a way higher murder rate than atheist Sweden; and the punishments in USA and Turkey are much more severe. I'm not saying that its due to being more religious a country, but since you are softly implying atheists have lesser morals, please show work.

no in most of my experience, it seems that atheists often have higher morals in general

but i think it's impossible to be a theist and committ a truly heinous crime

[pwnsall]

they should have less morals unless they are suckers

[metsandfinsfan]

Originally Posted by Supine

But it happens from people both religious and irreligious. Just for example, heavily christian USA and muslim Turkey has a way higher murder rate than atheist Sweden; and the punishments in USA and Turkey are much more severe. I'm not saying that its due to being more religious a country, but since you are softly implying atheists have lesser morals, please show work.

and heavily christian USA is a joke, because i think push comes to shove most christians are actualyl atheists too