I don't quite understand the flips vs no flips argument.

Yeah, even after watching a few DM games it's unclear why there aren't flips.

If the potato sack village on DM can win games without flips I think y'all will be okay.

flips vs no flips is interesting

interesting in the sense that it's hard to understand the interest in playing with flips if you understand the format

looking at the 15-player, 3mafia 2kill power until 2 mafia remain, parity cop, nerfed medic, vigilante setup:

if you lynch somebody day one and there are two kills in the night, most of the time there will be a vigilante alive to confirm that they didn't shoot or you can make the reasonable assumption that the vigilante did not shoot, revealing the day one lynch to be town. if you lynch somebody and there's only one kill, things get interesting. cases of 0 and 3 kills omitted for revealing all of the information on their own.

the one kill situation makes for a much more interesting day two. instead of "wow these people didn't vote on the wolf, let's lynch them and win the game", there's a suspension of disbelief that you can't have otherwise. people still have to play the game. have you ever been to day three, four, or five in a forum mafia game where the entire situation is "i voted on those wolves we lynched. i'm clear" and "why didn't you vote on the wolf? we lynch you"? it gets dull very fast.

contrast that to the situation in a final five or final three in video mafia: you'll find every player in the game thinking back through everything and trying to establish associations and links between living and dead, dead and dead, living and living and dead, etc., players, instead of just "i voted this guy look at our interactions." there's an element of uncertainty that i personally miss every single game i play forum mafia. i think a large number of our players could figure out the law of total probability on their own, because they're forced into consideration (and, as mafia, manipulation) of the resultant likelihood of each player in the game being mafia given so many possible situations. the result is a lot of, as an example, trying to clear the potential of some rando commando who got lynched day two from being mafia in combination with giving reasons you couldn't be mafia with the other players who have died to reduce your odds of being mafia to or near zero. it's wonderful

there's also the GREAT benefit that mafia aren't forced to bus. like at all. there's almost always a potential that what appears to be isn't. it makes for a much mroe cooperative experience.

really, though, the bread and butter of no flips is forcing everybody to consider the night kills so extensively. most people live through the probability without recognizing what it is, but every player can understand "why did they kill a no-voter if the person we just lynched to reduce the apparent mafia kill power was mafia? they wouldn't kill a suspect. there must have been a save. they must have been town." more plausible deniability. more really compelling wifom that isn't just wifom it's making a mechanically bad decision to give you an edge in another aspect of the game.

have to go but i love it to death and i hope lots of you give it a chance

I have played one ww game in my life outside of POG and got N0-killed.
Never signed up for another one, ldo

love u

Im considering this. Its over Skype, yeah?

We use a program called Zoom to play. It's a lightweight piece of software and a quick install. I imagine we'll use Skype for role actions and mafia chat, though.

This is the client-side view:

One of the cameras will instead be a mod window showing things like the day timer and the formal timer.

That's actually kinda cool-looking, I think that's what those pen and paper dungeons & dragons guys use on Twitch.

Namath, pretty sure you used zoom before for one of the FACK fantasy football league drafts. Hoya set one up 2 or 3 years ago.

Would probably be in for this

Manasi can you (or someone else) post details of what comes out of the Skype discussion? I am intrigued, but too busy/lazy to be involved right now

Right now it's looking to be the evening of Sunday, May 21.

At least nobody has really been opposed to it besides maybe one.

Consider me IN, manaso.

awesome, I'll be watching then.

lets take this home kiosh

sure

n1 vigging beck

You'll do nothin

This is this weekend riiigghhttt? Kill me quick cuz my bedtime is 10pm and I needz ma beauty sleep. You'll see my ugly mug so you'll know.

my problem would be it taking 3 or 4 hours


Unless that's only some of the games?

Manaso think u need to keep a running list of players in the op

You should expect to be alive 1-1.5 hours, but you should prepare to be alive for 2.5 or so

HI YES THIS IS THIS WEEKEND

HI EVERYONE

CURRENT LIST

1. yg
2. bop
3. GD
4. donnie
5. jrodd
6. batman
7. adam
8. dlgn
9. redd NOPE NVM **** U now it's beck bOIZ
10. cdl
11. vagos
12. chrisv
13. luckayluck

HAHAAAAAAA

ok plz let me know if you can't make it sorry I finished exams yesterday ily guys I'm so excited for this to happen!

Also yeah I'd be shocked if the game went over 2 hours.