Part of being a villager is clearing yourself. How does being easy to clear not say anything about your village game.

Does it say anything about your wolf hunting ability, or your ability to correctly clear others? No.

And I don't really agree with the premise that someone being pretty easy to clear as a villager makes them a bad wolf. Again, there's certainly exceptions and I can think of a few quite quickly off the top of my head, but in general I don't think that statement is true.

Does it mean they may have a weaker wolf game than villager game? Sure. But when you rand villager much more often than you rand wolf, being a bit better at villaging than wolfing isn't really detracting from your overall skill as a player.

Then again I'm pretty terrible at the game so what do I know.

funny thing is, even if you are a terrible player, if everyone mistakenly think you're good, your stats will look better than they otherwise would. but i suppose that's true of most anything else in life.

not necessarily

speaking for myself....excluding the 4 wolf games where i stupidly chose to sub in, my wolf teams are rocking a 10-2 record.

Hax, I am debating dropping the longest word bomb you've ever seen (like even long for my standards). If it was not already getting late, it would be a sure thing

Cliffs:

No one is going to debate that clearing yourself efficiently is an important aspect of being a villager.
No one is going to debate that having a higher NK% (than a control group/base average of players) is a bad thing...they're obviously doing something right to draw the NK at a higher rate.

These are like captain obvious assertions that we're all mostly going to agree on.

Using them to objectively qualify who is a good werewolf player (or even a good villager for that matter) is like beyond futile.

I remember when I cared about not getting lynched as a villager

I'll be sure to weight the "does not give a **** when villaging category" at, at least, 8% of the overall contribution.

It will definitely tip the scale for some people.

(myself included)

I think I've only been lynched as a peeked wolf

huber let's step up your stat game bro

500 game sample size is gigantic, and beyond what you would need

it'd represent at least 1500 game days

that'd be the equivalent of 2.5 years of at-bats for a baseball player. you can derive meaningfully predictive statistics in a much shorter time span than that.

Ok so "most important" was exaggerating. But I still think it's an interesting stat, and the list posted by Aksdal reflects that those with pretty good ratios are in general (in my opinion) pretty good players.

I dont disagree to a degree (from a poker standpoint, thats like saying you cant glean any information from a player thats playing at 52/12/1.3 over 180 hands); of course there is meaningful information to be obtained. Player profiling/general tendencies are already becoming clear.

But you're talking about calculating something that is going to take much more refined data (something that suns 600 game sample of werewolf in the DB isnt even really going to achieve).

Truly, you'd only be able to incorporate games played (or hands imported) within the last 6-12 months to have a somewhat accurate idea of how people are playing/how their game has evolved (assuming some players improve (we know this certainly isnt always the case )).

Its just an extraordinarily difficult task to do (objectively measuring such a metric on such little information)

if you're easy to catch as a wolf, you're bad at wolfing

whether your teammates end up winning or not doesn't change that

they're players who are much better at villaging than wolfing

it's funny that people want to find significance in every possible stat except for anything based on how correct or accurate people's reads are

Alright, just to give you an idea of how someones wolf game can impact their "villager" statistics/the perception of their village game, lets play a game:

Sun, you're todays lucky contestant (since I think you have the best chance of getting this ).

These are the death stats of the "zomg, top 20 wolves in pog objectively!".



Guess how many of them show up in the top 20 people of the list that aksdal posted.

Whole real numbers 0-20, only, please.

no cheating

I'll guess 0

oops, just realized I pulled the stats for "long games" instead of "vanillas" but it didnt really change the number of people significantly anyways

Yeah, it was 0.

It changed to 2 when I filtered for only vanillas (vix and soah).

Well I mean it's a lot harder to compile how accurate people's reads are. You'd have to comb through every game to do so.

Nothing wrong with taking a look at the stats we have already easily accessible and seeing if we can glean anything from it.

For sure, I think its an awesome way to get a baseline for how decent someone might be (especially if you move from mashes to vanillas (or vice versa) and have never played with a particular player before).

Plus it's always fun when people take pride/get butt hurt about their stats.
They're awesome conversation points.

Tracking read accuracy would be incredibly difficult...next to impossible...obviously some people have a knack for it and others dont.

I have much more respect for someone who owns souls at the game/has very good reads (but might have ****ty overall stats because they're teams have sucked (which basically goes back to the variability arguement/sample size logistics)).

Part of being good at the game however incorporates more than just having good reads...it involves teamwork, the clout of your word, flexibility, general strategy...idk...you'd have to weight it all (villager/wolf/overall categories).

Tough...but if they're is some DB guru that could extrapolate it all, I'd freaking love to look at it. For now we just speculate, and have subjective drafts and bitch when we dont get taken.

you would have to do something extra to measure read accuracy well

like submit a list each night

trying to analyze past games would be problematic

instead of doing this, we should play a turbo

lol werewolf

lets discuss ITT how when I created the same type of thread as tchaz, people were reluctant to participate (I'm assuming because #haters )

Thats the stat that points out how GOAT I am

you can have your mislynch % bull****

which one of these am I