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Multitabling is fine 39 44.32%
Multitablers piss me off, something needs to be done 30 34.09%
Gimmicks are fine 38 43.18%
Gimmicks piss me off, something needs to be done 30 34.09%
BA is a gentleman and a scholar 24 27.27%
BAIDS 48 54.55%
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Old 03-30-2012, 10:08 PM   #151
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Re: ladies and gents of POG: SPEAK YOUR BRAINS

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it's really annoying how soah is right about everything all the time

gets on my nerves
Now you know how I felt in FFIX...
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Old 03-30-2012, 10:13 PM   #152
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yeah must have sucked being a wolf there amirite
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Old 03-30-2012, 10:14 PM   #153
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but his arguments are sooooo good
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Old 03-30-2012, 10:48 PM   #154
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soah's argument has occurred to me for the longest time. its a good one.
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Old 03-30-2012, 10:54 PM   #155
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The problems with multitabling go beyond just whether someone can handle it. It presents information asymmetry on a regular basis. For example, I'm a noob and sign up for AS8 and I'm a villager and getting mass-cleared. 24 starts and I'm a wolf and post the same way and I'm getting mass-cleared. StephenH is a wolf in 24 with me and starts to voice suspicion of me in AS8 but is reluctant to explain himself. I realize he's using information from 24 that he can't talk about and that him doing this means he must be a villager, but I can't talk about it either. UGGHHHHH WTF. There is stuff like this going on all the time when you have people alive in two games at the same time. Anyone who knows complete roles from one game has an advantage over others even if they aren't personally involved in both games.
this reminds me of a time where vmf was a wolf in one game and I was pushing him and we had a little history but not a ton and I had read him well a few games in a row. Simultaneously in another game, I was saying he's a villager and he was getting pushed, and to defend himself, he said that I read him really well and ppl should listen. Pretty much made me push him super hard in hte other game.

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I like multitabling though, even thought I can't really do it at the moment
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Old 03-31-2012, 01:47 AM   #156
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I know my opinion isn't worth much around here but agree with atak about gimmicks. People who say gimmicks have an edge obviously haven't played ww under a gimmick. People inherently don't trust you because they don't know who you are, which makes it harder for you to influence the lynch and defend yourself from being lynched.
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Old 03-31-2012, 02:01 AM   #157
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People don't trust you because it's necessary for equilibrium. It's like the lemon market.
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Old 03-31-2012, 03:17 AM   #158
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I am still confused every time I hear Gabe is Spanish.
I am not spanish. I just live there. I left for a temporal project, met some Spanish woeman and that was that.
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Old 03-31-2012, 03:44 AM   #159
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I am not spanish. I just live there. I left for a temporal project, met some Spanish woeman and that was that.
I guess that makes sense.
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Old 03-31-2012, 04:26 PM   #160
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Re: ladies and gents of POG: SPEAK YOUR BRAINS

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I love this.

Re: the strawman fallacy: "Tis can be used with any argument as long as you're stupid enough."


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True story, I corrected the standard "beg the question" error in a pleading yesterday.

Pet peeve.
You mean the standard misunderstanding of what it means? Wtf was that doing in a pleading?
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Old 03-31-2012, 04:36 PM   #161
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yeah i do it all the time

even in a recent game, i knew mac was a wolf in one game and ignoring this game and i found it wolfy but i knew not everone in this game knew he was a wolf that game

its definitely a slippery slope

no multigaming would be ideal

but it is unrealistic
Why is it unrealistic?


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I know my opinion isn't worth much around here but agree with atak about gimmicks. People who say gimmicks have an edge obviously haven't played ww under a gimmick. People inherently don't trust you because they don't know who you are, which makes it harder for you to influence the lynch and defend yourself from being lynched.
There's some truth to this, though I hadn't thought about that aspect of it. A variation of it is that though it might to rise to the level of "distrust" (at least no more than is inherent to werewolf, your opinions don't carry particular (one might argue undue) weight when you're on a gimmick.

I know that when I play as a gimmick it doesn't matter a lot early in the game because my style doesn't rely heavily on convincing people I know what I'm talking about early on; none of my gimmicks have gotten deep (at least not that I recall), so I don't know whether there would be a different effect if that were to happen. I don't know that this counterbalances the advantage I could have if I were hiding some aspect of my true meta, though. Maybe for some players it would actually be more a disadvantage than the corresponding advantage; in fact, I'm pretty sure it would.
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