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10-27-2014 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by baudib1
QQ seems ridiculously villagery for someone I've never read particularly well before.
That’s strange thing to say I don’t think we’ve played in any game you’ve been villager.
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10-27-2014 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by q_q
That’s strange thing to say I don’t think we’ve played in any game you’ve been villager.
This is actually a fantastic point
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10-27-2014 , 11:52 AM
Baudib have you ever played with q_q when you were a villager?

I only remember him being in the games you were wolfing in
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10-27-2014 , 11:52 AM
If he's not a wolf the point remains that he's easy mislynch bait. He was the easiest mislynch ever in my first game here as a wolf.

slankers get to die along with the wolves
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10-27-2014 , 11:53 AM
qq is acting like both him and baudib are wolves.
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10-27-2014 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by q_q
That’s strange thing to say I don’t think we’ve played in any game you’ve been villager.
you might actually be right. the point still remains.
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10-27-2014 , 11:54 AM
Something is really weird atm. If we lunch one of them and he flips up wolf I think we need to go for another one too. That's how I feel it atm.
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10-27-2014 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by baudib1
If he's not a wolf the point remains that he's easy mislynch bait. He was the easiest mislynch ever in my first game here as a wolf.

slankers get to die along with the wolves
Incidentally I somewhat disagree with that logic. I think a portion of the burden lies on us the village to be able to read the slankers correctly assuming we want to win the game. Perhaps if we have no other viable options but generally speaking I find going the "lynch the slanker" route leads to ruin.
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10-27-2014 , 11:54 AM
I think they are either v/v or w/w and I'm pretty excited about that now.
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10-27-2014 , 11:54 AM
LOL Fran. I'm actually very certain we're V-V.
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10-27-2014 , 11:55 AM
could be. v/v or w/w, I don't think you are w/v ever tbh.
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10-27-2014 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by FranFran95
I think they are either v/v or w/w and I'm pretty excited about that now.
I'm not sure what the % equity of q_q coming in and voting his wolfbro within the first two pages of the game in complete seriousness is but I'd imagine it's somewhat low.

However I do believe you're a villager this game since you actually seem genuinely interested in figuring out the scumteams so that's good
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10-27-2014 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by monstrman
Incidentally I somewhat disagree with that logic. I think a portion of the burden lies on us the village to be able to read the slankers correctly assuming we want to win the game. Perhaps if we have no other viable options but generally speaking I find going the "lynch the slanker" route leads to ruin.
You're wrong. For one there are a fair number of players whose activity levels are polarized along villager-active/wolf-slanky.

Two, you're making it easier for wolves to play. Any decent player can summon up a burst of villageryness for a couple posts a day or come up with RL excuses as to why they're not engaged.
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10-27-2014 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by monstrman
I'm not sure what the % equity of q_q coming in and voting his wolfbro within the first two pages of the game in complete seriousness is but I'd imagine it's somewhat low.

However I do believe you're a villager this game since you actually seem genuinely interested in figuring out the scumteams so that's good
qq is definitely capable of doing it, and he would do it, and he likes to make a distance among his other wolfbros pretty early and leave it that way through complete game.
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10-27-2014 , 12:00 PM
I need a vote and post count desperately, I'm afraid to crack the restriction.
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10-27-2014 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by baudib1
You're wrong. For one there are a fair number of players whose activity levels are polarized along villager-active/wolf-slanky.

Two, you're making it easier for wolves to play. Any decent player can summon up a burst of villageryness for a couple posts a day or come up with RL excuses as to why they're not engaged.
The first point you're making is exactly what I'm saying.

"Lynch the slankers because they're slanking" is a lazy line of thinking that literally just lumps every one of the players that slanks into a category together where we lynch them always, and completely takes away the village reading those players. It's like a policy lynch at that point.

However "Lynch XXXX because he slanks as a wolf" is a completely different statement which actually relies on us analyzing the slot and coming to a logical conclusion as to what their alignment is. You specifically said "Slankers can die with the wolves." Which is a statement I disagree with. Saying I'm wrong isn't going to change my opinion on that and frankly I believe it's slightly asinine to policy lynch slankers for slanking.

Secondly, lynching slankers and pressuring slankers are two different things. Should a person be questioned for slanking? Yes, because it makes it easier for us as the village to analyze his alignment. Should a person be immediately lynched for slanking? No, because that's asinine and will lynch just as many villagers as wolves.

To be honest I'm not sure I like the direction you're taking here baudib
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10-27-2014 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by FranFran95
qq is definitely capable of doing it, and he would do it, and he likes to make a distance among his other wolfbros pretty early and leave it that way through complete game.
Pretty nice observation.
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10-27-2014 , 12:08 PM
Monstr:
I'll put it to you this way. If we get to d2 and Mucks has like 20 posts, I'm gonna lynch him pretty hard and scream for everyone else to do the same, and he's gonna flip wolf way greater than rand.

there are enough players who play this way that you will find wolves at a greater than rand rate, so I disagree that it will lynch just as many villagers as wolves.

also if you let villagers or wolves slank to end game then it's a lot harder to puzzle them out. GL when you don't have any record of their progressions on various flips.
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10-27-2014 , 12:08 PM
Yes, when QQ and I were wolves together we voted each other early and often.
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10-27-2014 , 12:11 PM
meh no wolves posting atm. bbl
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10-27-2014 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by monstrman
I'm not sure what the % equity of q_q coming in and voting his wolfbro within the first two pages of the game in complete seriousness is but I'd imagine it's somewhat low.

However I do believe you're a villager this game since you actually seem genuinely interested in figuring out the scumteams so that's good
Did you even play AIDS II?
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10-27-2014 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by baudib1
Monstr:
I'll put it to you this way. If we get to d2 and Mucks has like 20 posts, I'm gonna lynch him pretty hard and scream for everyone else to do the same, and he's gonna flip wolf way greater than rand.

there are enough players who play this way that you will find wolves at a greater than rand rate, so I disagree that it will lynch just as many villagers as wolves.

also if you let villagers or wolves slank to end game then it's a lot harder to puzzle them out. GL when you don't have any record of their progressions on various flips.
That's again the same point I'm arguing, however. Lynch the players based on their meta for slanking, not just lynching them for slanking.

Killer slanks in either alignment, therefore it's a null tell for him.
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10-27-2014 , 12:13 PM
are you two admitting being w/w now or what? I'm lost, I need a break.
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10-27-2014 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by q_q
Did you even play AIDS II?
I remember you tunneling him all game but I don't remember you doing it at the start of the game.

Did you do it at the start of the game?
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10-27-2014 , 12:13 PM
also digger, for being wolfy in the beginning and not participating later on at all, I don't have any better vote for now.
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