Chim, I am surprised you are against changing the IR rules. I would think you would want to most closely match NFL rules for a league of this type. As you even say, its the most unexploitable way of doing it.

IMO:

1) In order to be IR'ed you need to be NFL IR'ed, no P/Q/O on the injury report matter.
2) If the NFL team activates a player to their eligible roster, so can you.

Seems quite simple.

I also think that we should have a waiver wire period before the season starts. It once again more closely matches NFL policy. X date to count down to correct roster size, but then teams always pick up others players cuts, etc.

What point does not having waivers open serve?

No waivers serves the purpose of forcing players to make a decision at the end of the season whether to keep a kicker on their roster to allow themselves to take late round fliers on rookies in the draft or keep an extra position player over the summer and have to take a kicker in the draft. Having waivers means nobody will ever keep a kicker over the summer. It's just another thing that would make roster management easier, only in a different part of the season.

No waivers also means you don't have to follow every single thing that's going on every day in training camp/preseason. This point could be simply alleviated to solve the kicker thing by only having waivers after the cut down date though, so the previous point is the more important one.

+1 (I'd vote against it pretty much regardless) .. also i take it cuts are due late today. Will watch soccer all day but make my cuts before it's the 2nd US time.

Carry a kicker that is not on the bubble or carry two? If in doubt draft one with the last pick?

I think the kicker situation is somewhat meh though because they can get injured.

I think we should vote on always having our cut day after the NFL cut day (like we did this year but I don't think it's required via the rules).
yes

JD,

I may be in support of your suggestion, but I just wonder if its too limiting. If someone is out forever I'm not sure we shouldn't IR them. But, I am coming around to your idea.

I think cut down day is always four days before kickoff. Is that always after NFL cut down?

Yes this is what I meant

I think I could get behind this.. but I think it makes most sense with JD's suggestion of IR only IR players.

But making it so you can't reactivate players you IR"d while they were OUT or Questionable or whatever is ok too.

He didn't. They both got cut in favor of billy cundiff who had just been cut by the ravens.

birdman and wiild/chuckles still need to make cuts.

Also how does the WW ordering work again?

rand() their cuts imo

I'm not sure if it was ever posted in here but chuckles is taking over our team by himself this year.

Good to see the MJD holdout coming to an end

I would be willing to listen to offers for Sproles.

just for clarification, where can I find the rules detailing when the FA is open clearly expressed? I didn't see anything in the OP about when you are allowed to add/drop players.

Also, while perusing the rules, I noticed this tidbit:

"...IR spots can only be used during the course of a season.

...No player in the off-season may be on the IR."

This means the IR should be empty until Wednesday (the start of season). I noticed two teams currently taking advantage of the IR prior to the start of the season:

The Count Down Timer
Rice, Rice, Baby

These teams have both 27 active players and 1 IR player. Both these teams should have been down to 27 players by midnight on Sunday but are at 28. I assume you will fix this OTI?

Is the rule that if you don't make cut downs by the prescribed date that you rand a player to drop? Or do you just drop your latest draft pick?

If you don't like the rules put it up to a vote BEFORE it becomes a personal issue of your own.

We played by theses rules for the entirety of this leagues history if you had a problem with it before this year you had plenty of time to voice it.

I don't really see this as the offseason but I guess that is open to interpretation. Would have to look back to last couple of years to see how we handled it before I made any rash decisions.

If you want to be a stickler to the rules I should have cut your entire draft for failing to cut down to 27 by the time I woke up on the 2nd which was clearly at 9:33am. I'm sure once we iron all this out I will go back and cut those teams who failed to cut down for them.

Rules stipulate that we must have rosters down to 27 3 days prior to the start of the season. 3 days prior to the start of the season was 8:30pm on Sunday. As far as I can tell, there are only 2 teams that didn't make this deadline, and that is rice rice baby and countdown timer.

Off-season in fantasy terms normally refers to last game (or cutdown date at end of season) to the end of the draft. Once the draft is over we're in-season and IR is allowed. At least that's the rules we've used in the other league and that's what this was based on.

This is why we should be using rules that mirror the NFL's for Dynasty Leagues.

IMO (and only IMO), clearly the off-season for fantasy purposes ends the second the draft starts....but Bird has a point even if he is presenting it in his typical condescending tone.

Every team should not have more than 27 players. Either roster pickups aren't allowed and the two teams mentioned were never trimmed to 27 players, or roster pickups are allowed. For a team to have 28 players means their either picked someone up or never trimmed down to 27. No onee can start the season with more than 27 players when the rules clearly state that every roster but be down the 27 3 days prior to the start of the season.

This is how I've ran it in every league. But the rule is ambiguous. In every league I run there are people on IR because season starts before cut downs are due. But the point is fair.

And this is why. Season doesnt end the second the fantasy bowl ends. You don't need IR and cut downs done immediately when there are no games remaining.

Just like season starts before games actually start.

The cut down date was based off the "start of the season" which OTI interpreted as the first game, which is tomorrow night. Thus, the season, according to previous interpretations, has not started.

I dont see how you can say the red and then say the blue.

Every league should have clear start/end dates. We should be voting on this ASAP.

My dates would be something like Day after the NFL Super Bowl =end
End of Rookie draft = beginning. (so 27 man roster due 3 days before draft starts)
Cut down date x days before NFL season kicks off (x=3 is good)
Allow waiver pickups from Beginning of Season to same "x" day above.

Just my quick thoughts.