Taking offers to trade down...If not I'll pick in a couple of hours

romo's such a loveable silly dumb bastard

Haha awesome, yea he's really entertaining!

while i'm in the .gif train to awesome town, re: lesean shady mccoy:

also bingobangobongo got ridiculous value with the vjax pick, i spent half an hour going back and forth between greene and vjax.

If you dont agree this year I'd definitely back it up with a prop bet for fantasy points this year.

Yea I'm very happy with getting jackson who i feel is a top 5 WR. I was debating between Greene and Jackson when I made my autopick list. I went Jackson then Greene but I'm glad I won't have to second guess myself all year since you took Greene

Really I just wanted to use that .gif, but sure, $20?

I pretty much completely disagree with your original post -- I like Greene much more this year and next, but think McCoy could end up being a PPR goldmine, plus he's 3 years younger. I just don't see him blowing up this year.

I also am a bit down on him; I liked him and his situation much more coming out of college as a potential Westy replacement, but I wasn't particularly impressed with what I saw last year. That said, any back at this stage has question marks and McCoy's got as high an upside as anyone remaining I think.

yeah, I get to do that. hooray!

Not a fan of Mccoy or Vjax(think hes the most overrated Fantasy WR in the NFL) so pretty glad I am not gonna have to pick them at all.

I really dislike VJax. Never topped 70 receptions in a year with 5 years under his belt. Combine that with looming suspension and you have a player I prayed would be drafted before I wanted to take him.

Sure 20. I liked McCoy last year.. plus his offense is far better.. and LT isn't there to vulture carries. I definitely think this year is better.

I do think Greene is at least as good of a long term prospect, but not liking McCoy is kinda confusing to me. I'm a big fan.

Also, there are a few WR's I take over VJax still. I do think he is overrated. And this is coming from a guy that saw a bunch of his college games in person. I am a VJax guy, but he is def not top 5 imo.

If this doesn't get to me by tomorrow afternoon we are waiting till Monday for my pick.

Birdman is coming and blackout drunkness is on the horizon

I'm not a McCoy fan at all either. He showed very little last year to make me think he will be a solid 1st and 2nd down back for at least 2 or 3 years. I pretty much expect Mike Bell to get around 50% of 1st and 2nd down carries, along with all goal line work, with McCoy being used mainly as a 3rd down back (although his blocking is still suspect even for that).

We will pick once chuckles wakes up and we have a chance to talk about stuff briefly (or in about 6 hours, whichever is sooner).

might be interested in trading up, but not going to give up a lot to do it.

going golfing today, aim is jdr188, will log in on my BB but dont expect a quick answer

Few quick thoughts now that I'm not drunk.

First, I definitely don't have the McCoy confidence that it sounded like.. he's clearly no lock for stud status, and there are questions. There are definitely questions for any RB taken the rest of the time. My primary debate was on the ridiculous value with other picks (Like VJax, despite feeling his expectations are far too high, getting him right now is awesome value), or taking what I feel is the best RB in the best situation left. Seeing as I don't pick again for awhile I felt like the dropoff to other WR's is going to be less than the dropoff from McCoy to who I could get then.

Now, I expected it to be a controversial pick, but am surprised no one at all likes him. I started watching a number of Eagles games last year as I inherited a team in a dynasty league that was going to draft him. Now, my reasons for liking are no better than anyones for disliking, as no one here is a scout and understands everything thats going on. But, after watching a majority of his carries last year I was excited. I think he has potential to be special. It was hard to get a real feel obviously with the Westy situation last year as teams may not have gameplanned for him.. but I really did get excited over what I saw.

Also, I definitely do not believe Mike Bell is a credible threat. Even in NO offense with a million threats he had 17 more yards on 17 more carries. Also, McCoy had 40 catches for almost 400 yards. I watched every single carry Mike Bell had his first two season (was only like 160 or something), and really believe he is nothing special at all.

I may regret it ultimately only because people behind me are getting absurd value at this point, but I really felt he has good potential, in an important position, in a good offense, and the dropoffs in that position when it got back to me would be brutal.

Oh, and as far as the best goes.. I do like my side, but don't normally come off as "lol you're dumb lets bet!" guy, sorry if it came off that way.. I blame the booze

I like the McCoy pick a lot!

Vjax on the other hand is being way overrated itt imo

I'm only comfortable reaching for players I really like.

Plus I think theres a good chance Mccoy makes it back to you or close enough that you can trade up a little to get him.

I kinda doubt the latter part.

Well, I did doubt it.. until everyone here hated on it

I was thinking of waiting and then looked at MFL's ADP list and he was the top RB by a pretty big margin. That made it seem unlikely he'd get back to me. Furthermore, if even 2 or 3 RB's got picked before it got back to me I'd sure hate my situation at 4.08.

Nonetheless, I'm happy with it.

V-Jax is severely overrated especially in PPR leagues.

but at this point hes a pretty solid pick. You know what your getting and has is probably getting a long contract to stay with an elite QB.

You also have to take into account that there's about a 50% chance he's getting in trouble off the field and could get suspended

Yeah, I didn't mean to sound as down on him as I may have. As one of the prospects remaining, he's a fine pick. I just basically completely disagreed with your comparison to Greene -- I like Greene much more short-term, think they're probably equal 2-3 years out, but McCoy's got such huge potential PPR upside with his skillset in that offense that I like his value long-term much more. Given I already took a somewhat boom/bust pick in Charles, I wanted my RB2 to be a guy I felt I could count on to produce short-term, but still have some medium-/long-term value.

I am down on McCoy from last year, but that's mainly because I was so high on him last year -- he was my favorite rookie RB. I didn't have the #1 pick in any leagues, but if I had, I would have been scrambling to trade down and pick up value while still targeting McCoy; Greene was the other guy I liked, at a lower price. I liked both value-wise WAY more than Moreno and somewhat more than Wells (consensus 1/2 picks last year). But last season did raise a few flags for me, and now I'd say that Wells, McCoy, and Greene are all roughly equivalent dynasty prospects, each with their own pros and cons -- which one I'd take would depend on my existing team a fair amount. The RB from last year that I'd really bag on is Moreno, because I never liked him and he did nothing to change my mind last year. Sorry Jrock, hated that pick.

No worries about the bet. I taunted you with a .gif, you were drunk, and it was all in good fun. I probably won't do a lot of prop betting, but I took this one because I think it's a fair bet (in PPR, I think you can argue either side of it) where I really like my side of it. I should be interesting to see.

Plus the last time I made a football sidebet on 2p2 it meant I got to yell MEWELDE MOORE a whole lot, so that was fun. Expect lots of MEAN SHONN GREENE and GO HULKY GO posts on gamedays.

I'm not sure what you were looking at but I just checked and there are four RBs ahead of McCoy in ADP on the MFL ADP stuff, looking at ppr keeper leagues (lol sample size of 10). Is there some other ADP site that has more drafts?

I dunno, I was drunk and my friend pulled up a draft list (from league site), and sorted by ADP. McCoy was like 4th overall and first RB, next was like 11th or something. Gap seemed to big to me to wait.

I also forgot to add that since MT took Greene it seemed more important I needed to take him if I'd get him. If he took VJax, I woulda surely passed and waited until round 4 hopefully.

also how people can hate on the vjax pick while having virtually no comment on the brandon marshall pick like 8-9 picks earlier is mind-blowing. vjax's knuckleheadedness is nothing compared to marshall, he's got a much better young QB throwing to him in a much more pass-oriented offense, and he's a solid talent.

there's definitely other ways to go rather than vjax if you think he's overrated, but any guy here is going to have questions and i think vjax had the fewest. i'm going to be wondering about that greene/vjax decision for years.