Battle of the Bond Girls Vanilla WW Game Thread - Page 104

Willi · 06-03-2012, 04:26 AM

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Gad pick Jim and Mets questions what are not personal and please answer to them.
I might have some questions to you later.

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Willi · 06-03-2012, 04:27 AM

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Same with Mac and Annie.

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Willi · 06-03-2012, 04:30 AM

Also Mac: How well you think you readed me when I started and how well you read me now?

If things are changed then why? Have you kinda loosing your game or I have change my game in your opinion?

How would you charecterize my villager game and my wolf game.

Why you think I never get nightkilled?
What would you expect from my seer game in long game?

Nofear3838 · 06-03-2012, 04:31 AM

Ah, add MLPII to the list of games where I bussed a wolfbro d1

Willi · 06-03-2012, 04:33 AM

Sorry for so many questions. Just some thoughts that have been bothering me and maybe I can get some tips or some kind of read about your game. Sry if this seems sneaky. Sry for not doing much of a work. Why I play ww is mostly because of realtime interactions. I do not like to rearead thread back and make some big MQs and search some little pieces of info. It is not very intresting and search back and make some MQ-s is pretty exhausting and like a real job.

Nofear3838 · 06-03-2012, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Willi

Sorry for so many questions. Just some thoughts that have been bothering me and maybe I can get some tips or some kind of read about your game. Sry if this seems sneaky. Sry for not doing much of a work. Why I play ww is mostly because of realtime interactions. I do not like to rearead thread back and make some big MQs and search some little pieces of info. It is not very intresting and search back and make some MQ-s is pretty exhausting and like a real job.

Never lynch willi. Ever.

Willi · 06-03-2012, 04:37 AM

El_Timon · 06-03-2012, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Willi

I wanted to throw out big punch of questions for every player, but I see that El_Timon is here so I throw out start of my post:

Tbh I have no idea who could be the wolves atm, so I hope you answer seriosly even if some questions might been answer or does
seem silly. Your answers will have some impact for sure in making my decision.

El_Timon: What feelings you would (probably) have when you open PM and see that you are a wolf?
E_Timon: What feelings you had this game when you saw your role and thread was just started?
El_Timon: If you would be a wolf how you would clear yourself and win this game?
El_Timon: You get lynched as a villager pretty early in last game. Why this did not happen in this game?
El_Timon: How your villager game is different compared with first time you played?

to be continued....

Willi, I am in the middle of reading Jim, but I'll answer this right now so we can get a conversation going.

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El_Timon: What feelings you would (probably) have when you open PM and see that you are a wolf?

I have been thinking about it, it's just a matter of time until I get randed wolf and my first thought is that I'll try to play as close as my previous games as possible. Probably ask for advice on what to do do/not to do in wolfchat. I even thought about proposing to sacrifice me early to clear some wolf bros as I am an easy target early in the game.

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E_Timon: What feelings you had this game when you saw your role and thread was just started?

I saw my role, felt a bit relieved, and then when I saw the thread opened I made some post to just start harmless interactions. Fluffy interactions, if you'd like. I love martinis and I had just made a variation of one that night so I posted that pic (x-posted with the OOT bar thread, check there if you like). One thing I didn't say is that Martinis should always be stirred, and never shaken. Bonds got it wrong.

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El_Timon: If you would be a wolf how you would clear yourself and win this game?

I only have had general thoughts about how I would wolf. First off, and like I said before, I think I'm an easy mislynch. Therefore, I would have advised the other wolves to buss me. If I didn't get lynched n1, I would have tried to put some #work on d2 to try to clear myself, but I'd still would feel that the best strategy for my wolf team would be to buss me a bit in order to clear themselves.

One thing is for certain, though. As you may have noticed I'm very tentative on d1. This is because I am not confident on my reads. However, on d2 I out some work and once the other villagers acknowledge this, I become more confident in my reads. As you may have noticed now that I'm being cleared by a lot of people, I can express myself more freely without the worry of having anything I say being turned against me and about being targeted for a lynch. This gives me more freedom to read and express my thoughts (however stupid they may be) more freely.

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El_Timon: You get lynched as a villager pretty early in last game. Why this did not happen in this game?

I think binkles and other people realized that I was an easy cop-out lynch and they didn't want to make a similar mistake this time. Binkles said it in a post late on d1.

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El_Timon: How your villager game is different compared with first time you played?

It's so different, but at the same time very similar once I'm cleared. My first time was a 72-player mishmash. 3,000 posts on d1. Deer in the headlights is how I felt like. However, once I was mechanically clear (d2, I believe), I started going after people and actively tried to solve the game, because I knew my posts couldn't be twisted against me.

El_Timon · 06-03-2012, 04:48 AM

Oops, I just realized that I bolded a bunch of stuff in a previous post. I hope this fixes it, if not, please advice how to fix it.

unvote

Crossnerd · 06-03-2012, 05:01 AM

Votes as of post 1554
Night in 16:00
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
3	Nofear3838	Anarchist (6), JimHalpert (32), younguns87 (22)
1	JimHalpert	Nofear3838 (20)
1	metsandfinsfan	Willi (26)
2	unvote	El_Timon (8), metsandfinsfan (38)
2	not voting	Gadarene (0), McAvoy (19)

Willi · 06-03-2012, 05:09 AM

To ALL:

What wolf teams would make most sense for you and who two are not probably in same team like ever?

El_Timon · 06-03-2012, 05:13 AM

Willi, talk to me about my responses. It's 3am here, I'm heading to bed soon, and I'm finishing a post about Jim's read on me. I got some time to interact before I crash for like ~9 hours.

Willi · 06-03-2012, 05:19 AM

I liked your responses and I feel better about you. I had similar feelings about wolfing in first games. That I should try to play as I play as villager and other wolves could bus me because I probably do not make very far.

Is Binkles onlyone who you have played several times before?
Was he one of the players who mislynched you in previous games?

El_Timon · 06-03-2012, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by JimHalpert

Villagery stuff from Timon:

Timon is a person that's in his 4th game, his other 3 were as a villager. The amount of effort is villagery - he's reading players, he's talking of work, he's reading spew from chrja. I didn't quote his chrja spew analysis, but it's on the start of day 2 if you want to take a look.

The most villagery thing he's done is post a rather extensive note list on d2 saying why he thought Aksdal was a wolf. Aksdal died n1. So in order for him to be a wolf, we have to believe he'd be willing to spend time making a post that will serve no purpose tomorrow in terms of looking like he's solving the game.

You have to click through to see it.

His point out of YG's switch on him matches what I thought of it as well.

OK, so in your opinion that's the only villagery thing I've done in this game. The one thing you are not saying is that in the process of making those reads I cleared six players and left three as possible lynches, which is a very villagery way to try to sove the game.

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Originally Posted by JimHalpert

Wolfy stuff Timon has done:

His push of Horatio isn't right. By that I mean:
- He says "horatios posting is similar to how he said his wolf game would be"
- Aksdal argues with it over it some
- Says chrja pointed out similar
- Realizes he read it wrong after talking to aksdal some about the whole "easy mislynches" thing
- Moves to YG
- Comes back to Horatio on 2-2-2-2 wagons to "get a lead wagon"
- And then just sits on it

The reasonings never alter from that initial "the things you say you do look kinda like the things youre doing", he doesn't really wanna move anywhere (including when at one point me and aksdal are on YG), and then at EOD he spends a lot of time talking about other games while we're trying to discuss whats going on, while also mentioning he got lynched last time for giving thoughts so thats why hes not + he'll do more work the next day.

QUOTE=El_Timon;33065426]I do struggle finding content on d1 because of the way reads on d1 get formed. Most of your (and other experienced players with lots of history in general) reads are based on previous interactions, a data point that I do not possess. If anything, you are the only one I'd have a feel for how you play, but of the three games we played together you have been villa twice and seer the other, so there's not a lot (or anything) I know about your wolf game. I don't remember railing a game where you were a wolf either.

You can go at me harder on d2 if I don't post more content because by then I should have more information about the game (d1 lynch and n1 kill) and thus I can start looking at how people interacted/voted the dead players. If we're both alive tomorrow, we can revisit this.

He does a lot of chrja spew to start d2, and it's good, but it's not clearing (wolf spew analysis is like #1 easiest thing for wolf to do work wise).

Purple doesn't make sense. "I'm a villager and I lynched him so others prolly did too" when the wagon was 4 people, in a game with 3 wolves, where the outed one was off wagon doesn't make sense. It's like "bros we dont have to look at this wagon" or something.

A reread of nofear that says he hasn't done anything, therefore no read:

Spends the rest of his time rereading Aksdal, who doesn't exactly help anything.

On Horatio, I didn't find any other person who was wolfy enough to get my vote. He didn't do anything to make me change my vote either, so why move it? I did move it to YG just to make a poing, but went back to Horatio shortly after.

At EOD I didn't have much to say and just started chitchatting with binkles which if you look at other posts it's something that I've done often.

As for the whole "I'm a villager and I lynched him so others prolly did too", I didn't mean it like "everyone who voted horatio is a villager" but more like "we shouldn't be casting stones to people who voted him."

As you say, it's much easier to draw conclusions from wolf interactions than from uncertain villager votes, and that's why I chose to concentrate on that.

My nofear read, is it a sin not to find him wolfy? I didn't clear him either, and I think he's a fine lynch target today. I don't see how that is wolfy.

Reading aksdal doesn't help? So we should just forget about the NK? I am inexperienced but I'm not stupid. The wolves must have thought he was onto something so they killed him. Reading him must give us clues.

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Originally Posted by JimHalpert

Conclusion:

I get it. I really do. The new guy has a lot of posts, where he's rereading things and doing analysis, so everyone wants to just assume he's clear. He has never wolved, and so when he doesn't say "herp derp im a wolf" he must be a villager. If you read his post construction, you can tell he's a smart guy. If you read his post content, you can tell he could be doing better.

I think the ONLY thing he's done that is like "woah he's likely a villager" is writing a post about a dead player. That can be leveled though. His nofear reread was really awkward with no conclusion, his horatio pushing makes little sense, and he spends time doing work but not #work if that makes sense.

He's my hidden wolf, and I think it's him and nofear.

I'm flattered, Jim. Backhanded compliments bolded notwithstanding. The underlined part, I'll take note when I get randed wolf because that would be brilliant, albeit time consuming.

Last bolded part, lol.

I think binkles nailed in the head before. You need to mislynch me to win because NKing me would be like admitting defeat. You are starting to cast doubt on me with your posts. You are the established player, I'm the noob, so your best bet is to try to attack me and get me lynched tomorrow.

One thing still doesn't compute, though. If you say nofear/me are w/w, and you're pushing nofear, then if he flips wolf you're just bussing him to win the game? Are you capable of that? Other people with history with Jim please respond to that.

El_Timon · 06-03-2012, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Willi

I liked your responses and I feel better about you. I had similar feelings about wolfing in first games. That I should try to play as I play as villager and other wolves could bus me because I probably do not make very far.

Is Binkles onlyone who you have played several times before?
Was he one of the players who mislynched you in previous games?

Yes, binkles has been villa in all my previous three games (he was seer once). Last game he was one of the most vocal people about lynching me and actually admitted he was wrong about his read last time, yet he though I was wolfy on d1 of this game. He cleared me on d2, though.

Willi, what is your read of Jim?