Below is a series of Posts by Luckay Luck continuing with his Digger as wolf argument.
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Originally Posted by LuckayLuck
DiggerTheDog, this is what I'm talking about.
As everyone can plainly see, I have spurred DiggerTheDog to action - see, he DOES post a LOT around this time.
He did not yesterday. He realizes he's a wolf and needs to act more villagery. He's gotten some coaching from his wolf buddies, perhaps.
DiggerTheDog
Premise 1. Luckay d1 actions caused Digger to post more analysis
Premise 2. Wolf partners caused Digger to post more analysis
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Originally Posted by LuckayLuck
DiggerTheDog has never went into such depth about one night kill. There can be no seer view here.
DiggerTheDog is often somebody who tries very hard but not necessarily in an important place - here, he's showing that AS A WOLF, he looked very hard for the night one nightkill. I mean, I don't know why, but he did. As evidenced by him already having a lot of information about the now deceased AriesRam.
Premise 3. That Digger action is disproportionate to the need to analyse.
Premise 4. Digger only looked for the nightkill because he was a wolf and he already had information about the nightkill.
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Originally Posted by LuckayLuck
That nightchat was really helpful for you, wasn't it Digger? You received all sorts of advice and are acting completely differently now.
Premise 5 . Digger is acting differently now.
That I think is an accurate reflection of the underlying premises of LuckayLuck arguments vs me.
Premise 1. LuckayLuck as the cause for me posting more.
(a) To the extent that Luckay is the driving force around my wagoning - I agree that Luckay to some extent is spurring some of my actions. The accusations of other players - is a good reason to begin the process of clearing myself for the benefit of the village as a whole.
(b) The extent to which this is wrong - is that my activity was being driven by IRL freedom and the fact that it is now d2. I had put in my required amount of poker hands for the day had had a winning day and therefore had time to put in more into a mish-mash game with huge potential. Also again given the amount of players up at the start of the day - there is freedom to post in the thread and reread the thread - so gathering evidence of previous day as well as answering/asking questions of other players can be done at the same time.
Premise 2. Wolfchat causes Digger to post a different std of analysis of Rene than in previous games.
(a) Without a n0 seer peek or seers present d1 - there was alot less for the village to make of in an obvious sense. i.e. look for seer peeks and conclude that Player A is therefore nightkilled cleared. So I felt that examining Rene posts in-depth would help incoming players (I had noted OTI, BitchiBee were entering the game) and those not willing or able to go back and review Rene. So I thought a brief summary would be useful to others.
The principle problem I have with both Premise 1 and 2 - is that it really is an argument which whatever I do Luckay would paint as wolfey. Assume for the moment that I had not done any analysis Luckay would argue I told you Digger post analysis as a villa and the absence of analysis therefore is a wolf tell. And Now when I have posted analysis that to is evidence that I am a wolf because he now uses rather than evidence he superimposes himself or third parties as motivators for my effort.
So really I could have done a range of no analysis through to alot of analysis and Luckayluck would have concluded I was a wolf.
i.e. Luckay had prejudged my status and nothing I could do would change his mind.
Premise 3
Premise 4
Premise 5
3. Luckay himself says that sometime my action or focus of effort is misplaced. Clearly if you think that there was not much to be gained from rene analysis then you could conclude that. He implied that I do that as village but somehow I had more information that involved the nightkill seen in Premise 4.
The begining of my d2 was to see the thread was open. To look at the vote flow for JD to look at all the posts of rene - then to provide what I found to the village. It enabled me to go back and look through a large part of the day I took brief note on every rene interactions which can be seen in the cursory summary of each post.
I found that having taken notes on the page that some of my observations of the background for his posts. I did not note it from the point of view of others although I had drawn some conclusions. By the time I had finished my notetaking and was ready to type them into 2p2 many of my observations were confused with regards to how they related to a specific passge of play and I felt that I wanted to give me reads on other players in a clear fashion - so not to confuse Rene posts with my own analysis - I refrained from putting them in.
Seen through this prism of activity I found it hard to understand how LuckayLuck believes I had access to more information.
Premise 5.
This seems to be basically the crux of LL argument.
He believes I am acting differently now. He cannot substantiate it much but it is a tone read and he has bolstered this read but overestimating his experience with me by also pidgeon holing my actions as a villa into a narrow range of behaviours and actions - so that any deviations from he can supplement basically a tone-based arguement.
All I expect from other villas
(1) To make your own mind up
(2) to Judge me on my actions
(3) To think before you vote for me and dont delegate your thinking to others
