Originally Posted by XXsooted

henrik - I was trying so hard to figure out how you did it lol

Originally Posted by Felix the Cat

Henrik: I'm just conflicted and unsure - or, as I'd prefer to say, giving an accurate account of the strength of my read (mild) and why. Do you think I should be certain in my reads at post #88 in day 1? (If you do, then we have a fundamental disagreement on how to play the game.)

Originally Posted by bsball8806

Hello!

So, obviously conserving your posts is much more important this game than it is in every other game. As a result, rereads should be easier and the thread should be far less bloated than it is in normal games.

Because there are post restrictions (and as far as I can tell, posts with only votes do count), it is important that we get wagons rolling as soon as possible.

Tanaer, are you a gimmick? I don't really care if you are, but if you'd be so kind as to inform us all exactly how much experience you have playing werewolf, that would be wonderful.

My vote is for McAvoy, who is a +EV lynch d1 pretty much regardless of his role.

Originally Posted by bsball8806

Obviously this also goes without saying, but no person should reach their exact post limit before EOD. Treat the post restriction as if it's a 29 post restriction. It is very obvious why this is true. I (and hopefully others) will treat it as extremely wolfy if you reach your post limit (or very close to it) early on in the day, as this is a proven strategy for wolves to employ.

Originally Posted by tappokone

Posts like these are generally fine, but as long as you don't actually run into the post limit. Should they ever keep you from posting something more substantive, it's going to look as if they're meant to pad your post count.



Did you find me wolfy in our first game together? You made no brotherly advance in my general direction, as far as I can recall. At the end you got a bit paranoid that I was the last wolf because you were worried that I'd beat you at final three, but that was about it.

Originally Posted by tappokone

Seeing as several of us said in the sign-up thread that we would miss EoDs, early wagoning will also be helpful to minimize off-wagon voting.



You get some role-neutral-but-helpful points for making several of the role-neutral-but-helpful points I was going to make.



Inasmuch as Mac becomes easier to read when given time to operate, day one is not the optimal time to lynch him.

Originally Posted by well named

This whole post just reads like a trying too hard wolf claim to me

bsball

also for some reason I thought this was a regular speed PoR game. 30 posts in two days? I should probably be doing more in this post :P

but one wolf though. That's not bad.

eh, OK, I'll add a bit more

super thin retardo village lean to xxsooted for his entrance post :P

and another super duper xtra-thin dumb village lean to BJAIDS just because.

Originally Posted by bsball8806

What does this post even mean

You read three games, of which one I was a wolf, and noticed similarities among every game. Even if your analysis were valid in the sense that this were not a post restriction game and I have the same approach here that I had in the past (which isn't true; I'm acting very differently in PoR games no matter what my role), I would have been taking an identical line as a wolf in previous games as I did as a villager and thus your supposed differences you see here wouldn't actually mean anything.

Of course, this is a PoR game, so I don't even know why you are trying to make a comparison between this game and previous games in the first place.

The reason I made my post (to address both you and well named) was because I noticed that there were a large number of people in this game who likely have not ever played a post restriction game or had not played one in a long time. Of course it looks "helpful" on the surface, but that doesn't necessarily make it wolfy. Well named knows better than this- I'm just as likely to make this post as a villager genuinely trying to help as I am to make it as a wolf trying to get villager cred.

Also, the mcavoy wagon is not a joke- I believe he is an actual liability to a village as a villager (and obviously if he's a wolf, we want to lynch him).

You are now on my wolf list, though. Congrats!

Originally Posted by well named

Giving hardcore a wolf lean for that post makes no sense

Dude immediately went off and did a bunch of research and makes a villagery post and complains about getting mislynched a few times and you want to lynch him for it

lol bsball imo :P

Originally Posted by bsball8806

The post itself makes no sense. How can you possibly say that it's a villagery post when his analysis goes

"I looked at three of his regular, non post restricted games, two villager, and one wolf. In all three, he was acting a certain way. In this slow, post restricted game, he's acting completely differently. Therefore, he is wolfy."

That literally makes no sense from a logical standpoint. And yes, I give people wolf leans for not making sense.

Out for a while since I think this is 5 posts

Originally Posted by well named

Giving people wolf leans for not making sense is definitely a leak yo

Originally Posted by Forsythio

Sup, hoes. Forsythio in da house.

I crafted an opening post in case I was randed wolf. Since I wasn't, I didn't feel obligated to use it, and you now get to read my wonderful off-the-top-of-my-head posting instead.

It's been a while since I played WW, mostly because I got a job, and it takes away a lot of my potential WW time. But I figured since it this is a slow game AND has such a low post restriction, I'd be able to read the whole thread and have time to give 30 postsworth of my thoughts about its happenings as well.

My goals for this game are to improve on a few of my known ww failings:

a) suspect everyone, even people I enjoy chatting with, and therefore am usually less inclined to vote
b) Keep a level head when accused of being a wolf
c) Have confidence in my reads


~~~Reads~~~

HardcoreUFO reads like a villager. Post 29 is villagery outrage. He feels that what he said makes sense, and is upset that bsball went off on him.
Bsball is villagery.

I'm actively trying not to be one of the people that sees a heated argument over something minor and simply writes it off as v/v violence. However, in this instance they do both seem like villagers to me. Both on tone, only bsball on content. HCUFO softpushes someone recently accused and overexplains his reasoning; if his accusation is only "unnatural tone", then the first 8.5 lines of his bsball analysis in post 24 are filler, and don't provide any insight into Bsball's role. I've often seen wolves read other games to try to "find a player's differences in posting style", then come back with statements, but no productive conclusion. I'm giving him a mild villager lean on tone, even though his content says wolf to me.

Tappokone is villagery
BJ's one post was wolfy
I should have an opinion on Henrik, but I don't. A bit villagery I suppose, but he doesn't get a blue name.



I dislike that Larry sponged bsball's vote with the reasoning that bsball is a strong villager in a setting like this. What does that mean? Does bsball have a reputation for being good at post restricted games?

Larry says he is sponging bsball about the McAvoy vote because bsball is a good villager. However, being a good villager or not doesn't relate to one's opinion on whether mac should be instalynched just for being in the game. That's just something you decide for yourself; "Do I want to spoil this person's WW experience forever because I think he is bad at the game?" "Because he is a good villager" and "in a setting like this" are overjustifications, imo. He is trying to make the vote more reasonable-sounding.

I think that Larry is a wolf, and wrote this statement because he thought he as a villager would think it would make sense to sponge bsball there for his (Larry's) given reasons. But as a villager, I say that it isn't.

Lastly, he says he wants to make the game as enjoyable for everyone as possible, but here's the thing: he's voting for someone who hasn't yet posted, sponging the guy who said "this guy is so bad that I never want to be in the same village as him". I don't see how he could have been thinking the blue while doing the red. Therefore, he is lying about his thoughts and intentions, and is a wolf.

Larry Legend

Originally Posted by bsball8806

As for what I've read so far, the following people look like villagers to me:

XXsooted
Felix
Well named (wat)
Searix

Originally Posted by MrGatito

I will hold off on voting UAW because he clears himself really easily if he's a villager. My bsball read is based off something that I need to research before I would feel comfortable pushing him so I actually don't have a ton of confidence in it right now.

Originally Posted by McAvoy

This is really villagery.

UFO, keep making posts like this and you'll avoid getting mislynched if your a villager.


I think bsball is somewhat villagery for coming after me, he's done it the past few games but not quite this hard. Its a great way to make a discussion point in a game. I use to be the one creating the discussion points all the time so I don't mind other people taking over that role.

I've gotten a lot of compliments about my game recently, so I'll keep playing this way for now.

Paging UAW710 to the thread.

Originally Posted by McAvoy

What are your thoughts on LL? I find his sponge of bsball considerably more wolfy than bsball's vote. But I can't talk about why and I also don't know how to judge that yet either.

But bsball has been consistent in pushing me as a good lynch early in games but once we got deeper in the game that you were a wofl in, he changed his stance once he read the thread.

So I find his vote role neutral but I find Larry's spot an easy spot to sponge a bad vote.

What do you think of my analysis?

I also think tappo is villagery which is good because sometimes I struggle with him.

Originally Posted by Felix the Cat

Why is this read exclusive to Henrik Sedin? Do you feel like others aren't trying to solve the game?



I don't even understand this but I guess you get leeway since this is your 2nd game. At this point everyone is essentially "claiming" villa.

Originally Posted by hardcoreUFO

Wow, I'm really enjoying playing this format. It's so good when all the derail stuff is out of the game. Really learning a lot from reading you guys.

Villa leans on WN, Felix and Forsytho, especially WN. This is the third time I play with him and he sounds exactly as free-flowy and insightful as in the other games when he was randed villa. The only other game I read him was the poker vanilla game, and although his tone isn't that much different (he is always the nice guy), he just didn't rant as much as he did in the villager ones. That's obviously pretty thin, and it's probably fair to say if WN was a wolf I wouldn't really be able to tell, but still I feel he is more likely a villager at this point.

@Henrik: bsball coming unnatural ITT is probably wolfy regardless of how his tone is when he is randed wolf generally. I checked his wolf game and he sounds natural to me then, but you're not really supposed not to unless you're randed wolf. I just thought his post was pretty weird overrall.

About other reads, I really didn't have any that I could express. I thought larry's post was very strange, but couldn't point out what was off with it. I know I started the post in a way that looked like I was going to make a series of reads, and that was the intention, but I couldn't come up with words for how I felt about Larry, and was trying to recognize how likely would the posters do x or y as wolves or villas, but nothing really stood up as important. So.

Now I really liked the reasoning behind Larry Legend's votes. So I'm changing mine.

Back to the McAvoy's votes, isn't it terrible to try and take someone out of a game regardless of his perceived role in it? I mean I only played with McAvoy once but even if he is a bad villager (and tbh he can't be worse than me, considering how people address my posts), it absolutely crushes the idea of playing WW. I mean if McAvoy trolls everyone and just generally disrespects the game or something like that, banning from the forum makes more sense. But unless he is banned, I really do not respect the idea of lynching him D1 everytime to avoid getting him to play WW. I think that's a really scumbag way to address the game tbh.

Originally Posted by UAW710

villas

felix
hardcore
well named

wolfy

larry legend
bsball

Originally Posted by UAW710

bsball's vote on mcavoy is just terrible. As a villager mcavoy is obvious, as a wolf mcavoy is obvious. Absolutely no reason to seriously vote him before he even posts.

Larry Legend's sponge of bsball is woly. As far as I'm aware bsball has the reputation of being an awesome wolf and an average villa. Larry Legend is making things up.

Originally Posted by UAW710

sooted seems villagery although it's very thin.

I just don't see him making that first post as a wolf.

Yeah, like I said it's thin.

Originally Posted by Searix

It's not limited to Henrik, but of all the reads so far his seemed the best.

Originally Posted by Fixated

well named, felix and UFO have my largest villager leans.

as with previous games there seems to be lots of meta knowledge being used.

just so we all know can people list who they think is a good villager or good wolf from past games.. would this help or bias/cloud how they are playing in this game?

may have just been introductory fluff but i dont really like the xxx is a good villager so i will sponge his vote.. [ i guess its 'cause i'd like to have that insight so i can spot when people are playing inconsistently]

Originally Posted by BJLTNYK

im going to sleep...i hope to actually get to interact with some folks tomorrow and figure out how this really works