Originally Posted by bsball8806
So, obviously conserving your posts is much more important this game than it is in every other game. As a result, rereads should be easier and the thread should be far less bloated than it is in normal games.
Because there are post restrictions (and as far as I can tell, posts with only votes do count), it is important that we get wagons rolling as soon as possible.
Tanaer, are you a gimmick? I don't really care if you are, but if you'd be so kind as to inform us all exactly how much experience you have playing werewolf, that would be wonderful.
My vote is for McAvoy, who is a +EV lynch d1 pretty much regardless of his role.
I had a thought on the post restriction that's kind of the flip side of what you're saying.
If you use the post restriction as an excuse to post less, it should be punished. Here's what I'm talking about
: player X mentions several times times that he's concerned with hitting the post restriction, implying that he is self-restricting his posting. Player X ends the day with 18 posts. I am now going to give player X a very severe case of skepticalface.jpg, up to and including trying to get him lynched the next game day.
The post restriction is what it is. If you'll be around for EOD, save a couple posts in case of shenanigans at EOD. Other than that, just be aware of where you're at and don't go over. If you sit there and emphasize how much the post restriction is making you conserve your posts, I'm probably going to call you a likely wolf. If you do that and then end the day nowhere near hitting the cap, I'm probably going to policy vote you until the end of time. (Okay, probably not, but assume I will.)
I don't like your McAvoy vote but I don't think it's wolfy from you.
Originally Posted by bsball8806
Obviously this also goes without saying, but no person should reach their exact post limit before EOD. Treat the post restriction as if it's a 29 post restriction. It is very obvious why this is true. I (and hopefully others) will treat it as extremely wolfy if you reach your post limit (or very close to it) early on in the day, as this is a proven strategy for wolves to employ.
This is probably true too. Happy mediums. Basically, if it looks like you're using the post limit to manipulate your game, rather than manipulating your game to accommodate the post limit, it's bad juju for you.
Originally Posted by Larry Legend
In light of the way I typically play games and my desire to continually try different things in games to have even more fun, I am going to make the attempt to have my posts be as substantial in terms of content, and also sparse.
Hopefully, I will be making no more than 10 posts in a given game day, so 5 posts each day is about what to expect.
For now I am going to allow everyone else to enter and make opening posts, reactions, and will be back later to give my opinions and my reads.
For now I am going to go with bsball who is a strong villa in a setting like this and sponge his vote of:
This is partially because of the reasons bsball wrote, the idea that bsball is a strong villager in this format, and to help generate early game discussion and ideas.
My goal will be to make this game as enjoyable as possible for everyone involved, and for a village win.
I kind of hate this entire post actually.
1) It doesn't seem to fit your style. You're in planning mode - "I will do X, I'm going to do Y, my goal is Z". I don't think I've seen you make an opening post constructed this way. I think I'd remember because opening posts like this immediately trigger my wolfdar, so I keep a mental list of people who do it a lot (like Tappokone) so I'm not calling them wolf 100% of the time.
2) The vote for McAvoy is lol. I honestly don't know if bsball is an especially strong villager in this format; last game I played with him IIRC he was one of the more prolific posters. I feel like that's kind of a made up statement. I also don't know how policy voting McAvoy for supposedly being "a +EV lynch regardless of his role" is going to "generate early game discussion and ideas"; almost by definition discussion of McAvoy's role is irrelevant to the vote, and there's not much relevant to be found in debating whether or not McAvoy is a good policy lynch, or whether policy lynches in general are good or bad, or any of the myriad non-game-related topics that could branch off from that.
is wolfy, donuts
4) super secret reason that I don't want to discuss right now
best vote so far
Originally Posted by tappokone
Hi, Larry. I dislike your opener for the following reasons:
- Draconian self-imposed post-restrictions can't be very helpful to the village.
- I'd expect you to have your own opinion about whether it's +EV to policy lynch Mac instead of sponging.
- Saying that you're voting partially to help generate discussion implies that you don't believe in your vote, which is level one wolfy. It's also counterproductive to generating discussion, because it diminishes your vote's importance in the eyes of others.
I assumed the first point was more having to do with his availability or how he wants to approach the game. In any case I think it's role-neutral.
Second and third points are good.
My real problem is that I'm reading you as villager when I always read you as wolf on day 1 because your style just sets off alarm bells for me. Alarm bells aren't going off right now. So you're provisionally a villa lean with the caveat that "Tappo sounds different from usual"; I often catch wolves based on being different from their villa games but not necessarily different in wolfy ways. (cue accusations of hedging)
Originally Posted by well named
This whole post just reads like a trying too hard wolf claim to me
also for some reason I thought this was a regular speed PoR game. 30 posts in two days? I should probably be doing more in this post :P
but one wolf though. That's not bad.
eh, OK, I'll add a bit more
super thin retardo village lean to xxsooted for his entrance post :P
and another super duper xtra-thin dumb village lean to BJAIDS just because.
I got that initial impression, but on second thought figured opening with some big theory posts on how to deal with a low post restriction is something that villa bsball might believe helpful and +villaEV. So I don't agree with the wolf read on bsball, but I do understand where your read is coming from, which is good. I also generally agree with your villa reads here
. On the other hand, your 2 admittedly thin villa leans in this post look a lot like padding for the sake of appearing to care, not trying to make reads that you honestly believe in. That's a bit wolfy.
Overall read on well named at this point: neutral to mildly villagery, but I'm cautious of him in general and there's less villagery elements of his posting.
Originally Posted by hardcoreUFO
I'm pretty tired of getting mislynched fwiw. Gonna do my best this time to get to the end of it alive.
My reads so far are:
bsball: I went to look at some of his previous games: poker vanilla game (villa), pokemon game (unfinished and I suppose wolf?) and the antarctica game (villa) to know how he usually addresses D1 and stuff. His approach in all games was somewhat similar: starts the thread already posting votes w/ weak reasoning (after all it's D1). The difference here is what wellnamed pointed out: The "trying too hard" aspect of the posts today, which can be viewed as unnatural/wolfy or just trying to write as much as you can since the game is restricted. For now I have a slight wolf lean on him though, for having the most unnatural tone so far.
Also don't like the reasons given for lynching mcavoy. That's obviously a joke wagon but let's actively try to find wolves.
This comes across to me as extremely villagery from hardcoreUFO and I'm not going to be voting for him anytime soon. Also a skeptical face at anyone who does vote for him unless they have a really good explanation.
Originally Posted by McAvoy
This is really villagery.
UFO, keep making posts like this and you'll avoid getting mislynched if your a villager.
I think bsball is somewhat villagery for coming after me, he's done it the past few games but not quite this hard. Its a great way to make a discussion point in a game. I use to be the one creating the discussion points all the time so I don't mind other people taking over that role.
I've gotten a lot of compliments about my game recently, so I'll keep playing this way for now.
Paging UAW710 to the thread.
blech, I'm kind of ambivalent on this opening from McAvoy.
First part can obviously be said in any role. Leading with it likely was just a function of how McAvoy decided to quote, but it looks like trying to gain an ally by giving him the honey tongue treatment.
Second part mehhhhh I know it's a true statement, disagree with it being a good "discussion point", but believe that McAvoy would legit believe that it is a good discussion point. So maybe like 1/2 a villa point or something.
UAW is a really random vote on a guy that has in the past had a tendency to be an easy mislynch. Ugh. What's with all the voting of people who haven't shown up yet? It's completely pointless and isn't going to generate much, if any, useful discussion.