I'm logging off for the night soon. Before I go, I'll give tentative villager leans to Ufo and Forsythio. Larry and BJ are my leading wolf suspects. Everyone else gets to be some shade of neutral.

Votes as of post 45
Night is more than 24 hours away
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
2	bsball8806	hardcoreUFO (3), well named (8)
2	Larry Legend	Forsythio (1), tappokone (8)
2	McAvoy	bsball8806 (4), Larry Legend (1)
11	not voting	BJLTNYK (3), Felix the Cat (0), Fixated (4), Henrik Sedin (1), McAvoy (0), MrGatito (0), Searix (1), Tanaer (2), UAW710 (0), VarianceMinefield (1), XXsooted (3)

I urge everyone to post some reads and vote as soon as possible.

This is really villagery.

UFO, keep making posts like this and you'll avoid getting mislynched if your a villager.


I think bsball is somewhat villagery for coming after me, he's done it the past few games but not quite this hard. Its a great way to make a discussion point in a game. I use to be the one creating the discussion points all the time so I don't mind other people taking over that role.

I've gotten a lot of compliments about my game recently, so I'll keep playing this way for now.

Paging UAW710 to the thread.

bump?

hai mcavoy

What are your thoughts on LL? I find his sponge of bsball considerably more wolfy than bsball's vote. But I can't talk about why and I also don't know how to judge that yet either.

But bsball has been consistent in pushing me as a good lynch early in games but once we got deeper in the game that you were a wofl in, he changed his stance once he read the thread.

So I find his vote role neutral but I find Larry's spot an easy spot to sponge a bad vote.

What do you think of my analysis?

I also think tappo is villagery which is good because sometimes I struggle with him.

I agree that tappo has been villagery

I'm not really sure what to make of larry. I put him in skepticalface because his opening post is striking a tone that is different then what I'm used to. But the caveat is obviously that he said he's intentionally trying to play a different kind of game. Which can be villagery, as you yourself know, given that you say you have also been trying to do so

So it gets like a tinfoil hat wolf at best. It's similar to what I don't like about bsball's opener, the main difference being that for meta reasons I feel like bsball is less likely to spontaneously change posting styles as a villager, and also bsball didn't say he was doing it intentionally.

Whether or not that even should matter, I don't really know

poast

welcome back forsy. What have you been doing on your pogcation?

I had a thought on the post restriction that's kind of the flip side of what you're saying.

If you use the post restriction as an excuse to post less, it should be punished. Here's what I'm talking about: player X mentions several times times that he's concerned with hitting the post restriction, implying that he is self-restricting his posting. Player X ends the day with 18 posts. I am now going to give player X a very severe case of skepticalface.jpg, up to and including trying to get him lynched the next game day.

The post restriction is what it is. If you'll be around for EOD, save a couple posts in case of shenanigans at EOD. Other than that, just be aware of where you're at and don't go over. If you sit there and emphasize how much the post restriction is making you conserve your posts, I'm probably going to call you a likely wolf. If you do that and then end the day nowhere near hitting the cap, I'm probably going to policy vote you until the end of time. (Okay, probably not, but assume I will.)

I don't like your McAvoy vote but I don't think it's wolfy from you.

This is probably true too. Happy mediums. Basically, if it looks like you're using the post limit to manipulate your game, rather than manipulating your game to accommodate the post limit, it's bad juju for you.

I kind of hate this entire post actually.

1) It doesn't seem to fit your style. You're in planning mode - "I will do X, I'm going to do Y, my goal is Z". I don't think I've seen you make an opening post constructed this way. I think I'd remember because opening posts like this immediately trigger my wolfdar, so I keep a mental list of people who do it a lot (like Tappokone) so I'm not calling them wolf 100% of the time.

2) The vote for McAvoy is lol. I honestly don't know if bsball is an especially strong villager in this format; last game I played with him IIRC he was one of the more prolific posters. I feel like that's kind of a made up statement. I also don't know how policy voting McAvoy for supposedly being "a +EV lynch regardless of his role" is going to "generate early game discussion and ideas"; almost by definition discussion of McAvoy's role is irrelevant to the vote, and there's not much relevant to be found in debating whether or not McAvoy is a good policy lynch, or whether policy lynches in general are good or bad, or any of the myriad non-game-related topics that could branch off from that.

3) is wolfy, donuts

4) super secret reason that I don't want to discuss right now

Larry Legend
best vote so far

I assumed the first point was more having to do with his availability or how he wants to approach the game. In any case I think it's role-neutral.

Second and third points are good.

My real problem is that I'm reading you as villager when I always read you as wolf on day 1 because your style just sets off alarm bells for me. Alarm bells aren't going off right now. So you're provisionally a villa lean with the caveat that "Tappo sounds different from usual"; I often catch wolves based on being different from their villa games but not necessarily different in wolfy ways. (cue accusations of hedging)

I got that initial impression, but on second thought figured opening with some big theory posts on how to deal with a low post restriction is something that villa bsball might believe helpful and +villaEV. So I don't agree with the wolf read on bsball, but I do understand where your read is coming from, which is good. I also generally agree with your villa reads here. On the other hand, your 2 admittedly thin villa leans in this post look a lot like padding for the sake of appearing to care, not trying to make reads that you honestly believe in. That's a bit wolfy.

Overall read on well named at this point: neutral to mildly villagery, but I'm cautious of him in general and there's less villagery elements of his posting.

This comes across to me as extremely villagery from hardcoreUFO and I'm not going to be voting for him anytime soon. Also a skeptical face at anyone who does vote for him unless they have a really good explanation.

blech, I'm kind of ambivalent on this opening from McAvoy.

First part can obviously be said in any role. Leading with it likely was just a function of how McAvoy decided to quote, but it looks like trying to gain an ally by giving him the honey tongue treatment.

Second part mehhhhh I know it's a true statement, disagree with it being a good "discussion point", but believe that McAvoy would legit believe that it is a good discussion point. So maybe like 1/2 a villa point or something.

UAW is a really random vote on a guy that has in the past had a tendency to be an easy mislynch. Ugh. What's with all the voting of people who haven't shown up yet? It's completely pointless and isn't going to generate much, if any, useful discussion.

felix is a villager

ez pz

Can someone explain why this keeps getting said? Did he role claim?

They don't mean that his role is known as a villager, they mean that looking at the player list, they think he is someone who has one of the stronger village games in general, regardless of his specific role here. They are saying something about how they rate people's skill at werewolf

I think that was the most villagery post ever made by felix. I'm a little disappointed though in the re-rand, I was looking forward to wolfing with him so I could try to figure out how to read him.


Felix,

I read UAW like a boss, he doesn't get mislynched lately when I'm in the game.

Why is this read exclusive to Henrik Sedin? Do you feel like others aren't trying to solve the game?

I don't even understand this but I guess you get leeway since this is your 2nd game. At this point everyone is essentially "claiming" villa.

Wow, I'm really enjoying playing this format. It's so good when all the derail stuff is out of the game. Really learning a lot from reading you guys.

Villa leans on WN, Felix and Forsytho, especially WN. This is the third time I play with him and he sounds exactly as free-flowy and insightful as in the other games when he was randed villa. The only other game I read him was the poker vanilla game, and although his tone isn't that much different (he is always the nice guy), he just didn't rant as much as he did in the villager ones. That's obviously pretty thin, and it's probably fair to say if WN was a wolf I wouldn't really be able to tell, but still I feel he is more likely a villager at this point.

@Henrik: bsball coming unnatural ITT is probably wolfy regardless of how his tone is when he is randed wolf generally. I checked his wolf game and he sounds natural to me then, but you're not really supposed not to unless you're randed wolf. I just thought his post was pretty weird overrall.

About other reads, I really didn't have any that I could express. I thought larry's post was very strange, but couldn't point out what was off with it. I know I started the post in a way that looked like I was going to make a series of reads, and that was the intention, but I couldn't come up with words for how I felt about Larry, and was trying to recognize how likely would the posters do x or y as wolves or villas, but nothing really stood up as important. So.

Now I really liked the reasoning behind Larry Legend's votes. So I'm changing mine.

Back to the McAvoy's votes, isn't it terrible to try and take someone out of a game regardless of his perceived role in it? I mean I only played with McAvoy once but even if he is a bad villager (and tbh he can't be worse than me, considering how people address my posts), it absolutely crushes the idea of playing WW. I mean if McAvoy trolls everyone and just generally disrespects the game or something like that, banning from the forum makes more sense. But unless he is banned, I really do not respect the idea of lynching him D1 everytime to avoid getting him to play WW. I think that's a really scumbag way to address the game tbh.

villas

felix
hardcore
well named

wolfy

larry legend
bsball