#4 Game of Mafia Champions (WW Invitational) - Game Thread - Page 91

On ISO, Rokk_Krinn looks dirty as ****. His sheeping of Cory onto Syn D1 for town leadership or whatever followed by his inconsistency with respect to the Lawrence push is pretty poorly explained.

Also, there's the thing about his rolefishing, which I still don't think he has adequately explained.

Finally, his posts after the Guild guilty reek of butthurt tone-wise. It's like he was thinking "DAMN WE WERE GONNA GET A MISLYCNH THROUGH ON AN OBVTOWN AND NOW WE'RE BONED!"

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05-07-2014 , 11:38 AM

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Rokk_Krinn

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05-07-2014 , 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight

The "cdl should know better" thing was weird to me too. I havent really ever seen luckbox act like this in any role that I recall. I really just want him to explain what he is doing. My initial thoughts are that he wouldn't change his style up as a wolf in a game like this. However, guild seems like the type of guy who could have told him "hey, this is what works in champions games with these types of players" and he may have just rolled with it.

Basically, I just want luckbox to do a lot more explaining of wtf he is thinking. I dont really care if he explains his reads or not in general, but I want him to explain the funny playstyle.

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they can all die, but lawrence should go first since he seems quite likely to be a wolf and not just meh to bad.

Funnily enough, I asked because I had/have all three of them as villagers to one degree or another and wanted to get dissenting opinions. I didn't want THAT much dissension though.

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05-07-2014 , 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DWetzel

So is it fair to say you have

Rokk = villager
Lawrence = villager
Shills = somewhere in the middle

?

Also, if you have good reads on 5, it would be great to share those right now. I don't need novels. Just a short sentence on each would be great.

My reads up until now were to put

SJG11, Nick and Gamer Dude as town

and one of Dwetzel and Luckbox as scum.

Dwetzel, what was with you asking Luckbox about his PM? That is so scummy in my books, it suggests that you know something I don't and you put it there for a reason.

Was it you who had a question for me somewhere?

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05-07-2014 , 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by The Moocher

I think cory was killed by the wolves for a combination of how clear he was and that his reads were decent, will obv check if it could have been a PR-hunt, how about we both re-read him and compare notes?

Do you not think that it could also be to set up a Yomi on us to NOT go in on DP or CDL?

Obviously, I was wrong in my read on cory, but he may have inadvertently set up the mixup when he said, "Don't lynch my civs if mafia hits me tonight."

If I was mafia, and I was within his top 3 civ list, I would kill him until he died from it when he said that, because this would be the atypical reaction I'd see in the thread.

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05-07-2014 , 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DWetzel

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Funnily enough, I asked because I had/have all three of them as villagers to one degree or another and wanted to get dissenting opinions. I didn't want THAT much dissension though.

Oh. Awkward.

I responded to you assuming you had bad feelings about all of them not good ones. My response was entirely sarcastic but given you feel differently I feel as though I should clarify.

Agree to disagree for now.

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05-07-2014 , 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Gamer Dude

False

Also False, well the making a decent case part is up to you guys but I tried and did my best and continue to do so

This is an excellent point that has merit and you came to it on your own. Do I agree with it? No not really at the moment but consider me impressed

Some of my case making and insights is hindered by the mechanisms of the site. How do I get Luckbox's posts up?

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05-07-2014 , 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Missing Person

idk what a Yomi is but I do agree with your premise and ofc I have that sort of thing in mind, tbh I think cory's list that Nick quoted is good enough atm, although he has me as a villager twice and I am but one man.

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05-07-2014 , 11:43 AM

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Also, please note that the roleset shows both mutually-clear Lovers and Masons, so Rokk_Krinn's contention that Mason-fishing is harmless is not true at all. Furthermore, I really don't see why he thinks hinting mason is scummy. Finally, Phelanpt's point that Rokk didn't have a problem with the "clear" terminology until he used it to rolefish is telling as well.

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05-07-2014 , 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tattersail

Some of my case making and insights is hindered by the mechanisms of the site. How do I get Luckbox's posts up?

Check the OP, it's in this post.

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05-07-2014 , 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Missing Person

And thus is the risk we face playing mafia.

Did the wolves kill cory cause he was wrong? Or did the wolves kill cory because he was wrong to make the wolves look better?

I tried to avoid both the questions but rather compare cory's reads to my own to analyze the consistencies instead of just straight up saying "they killed him he's obv right"

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05-07-2014 , 11:44 AM

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Also, question to everyone:

What do you feel about the possibility of sacrificing a JOAT as a day 1 lynch candidate?

Likelihood in % please, and reasoning.

Right now, I'm around 30-40%. It's a useful enough role that I'd want to keep around, but it would honestly depend on what roles I had at my disposal already.

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05-07-2014 , 11:45 AM

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Keep an eye on this does he push at Luckbox?

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Help me get corycurren to answer my last post satisfactorily? I have good reasoning but I need some leverqage here, my faux pas with an oversized image on page 5 is basically making me look a buffoon (not undeservedly).

Primarily I'm concerned when evaluating with attention and where it falls when I gut read. sjg's attention's hop but it's not a wolfy kind of hop, there's not so much a 'gotcha' vibe to it, it feels forgiving yet probing. There were other things I read that reassured me, I can read back through to see if I can catch them again if you insist, but it's a gut read like any rad that isn't a gimmick read or a flat out slip and it was strong enough at the time for me to write it down, so I stand by it 100% at this time until I read again, and even then I'll be looking to disprove it rather than prove it as gut reads are best taken in-the-moment, I feel, and I stick to them like glue to good effect.

Luckbox's 'admission' is a 'gimick' kinda thing, a tell. That said, I love slip lynches. They work out good overall. I wouldn't be against a Luckbox lynch utterly.

He does a lot of, he would lynch this guy and lynch that guy but he doesn't push, as of yet.

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05-07-2014 , 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Tattersail

Luckbox has in the past played the opening day of games without reading his role PM (and thus not knowing if he's a villager or a wolf and who his wolf teammates might be if he is one). That was a semi-playful, semi-serious jab at that practice.

And for the record, I know I'm a villager and I think he MIGHT still be though how he behaves today will kind of tell as far as that goes, so if I do die first don't automatically blast him.

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05-07-2014 , 11:45 AM

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Kinda WIFOM though, right? Its possible one of his villagers is not a villager, and the wolves didn't want that read to be revisited. Cause why kill Cory over say, CDL?

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The underlined is kinda close to how I am trying to convince myself to feel. It's weird at least, it feels wolfy to me because I know he's basically decided to lock in on me with a wrong read and not care, and basically I'm close to the point where I don't care about the nuance between wolfy and weird.

Funnily enough, I asked because I had/have all three of them as villagers to one degree or another and wanted to get dissenting opinions. I didn't want THAT much dissension though.

Wow. Clearing 3 scummy ****s and continuing to tunnel on Luckbox Could you be any wolfier right now?

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05-07-2014 , 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DWetzel

lets start with lawrence, why is he a villa? I cant think of a single thing he has done that looked villa to me.

I laid off shills yesterday for a post he made that I dont think is relevant anymore so now I dont think he has much of anything that looks good.

rokk is basically your classic sortbypostcountfindwolves guy imo.

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05-07-2014 , 11:47 AM

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Based on the fact that in the previous game the Mafia had a vig, giving them 2 night kills and this time around it appears they replaced the vig with a JoAT who has a kill as one of his trades instead. I'd say the percentage is much lower. He was likely their most important role.

This assuming that the mafia don't have a vig and they didn't try to kill both cory and jcohen last night and the latter was blocked.

but yeah I think it's highly unlikely.

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05-07-2014 , 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Tattersail

why do you think gamer dude is town?

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05-07-2014 , 11:48 AM

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Also, the reason CDL wasn't killed if town is painfully obvious. Dude was almost CFD'd yesterday before Jcohen's claim. Why would you kill an abrasive guy like CDL over Cory who had almost 0% chance of being lynched.

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Originally Posted by Missing Person

Given the powers he has I'd say it's unlikely but it's d2 and we don't have a lot of mech info to work with right now, I think putting a % number to it is a waste of time.

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Originally Posted by Missing Person

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Seriously, I think it would be, and I'm putting this nicely, bizarre wolf play to have wolf jcohen pretend to be a seer and out wolf Guild in this way. Mostly because if we get to d3 or d4 and jcohen's still alive, people will wonder why.

It would make substantially more sense to just bus the hell out of him if that's his normal play style because he's sufficiently abrasive to get lynched "just because" and to reap the credit for doing so.

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05-07-2014 , 11:49 AM

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wow, rokk posted a lot more than I thought. I feel like everyone who has posted less than him has made more noise.

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05-07-2014 , 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Thingyman

Votes from post 13 to post 596
Night in 28:28:43
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
4	Synonym	Nickismyname (20), sjg11 (55), Pres Eden (20), DarthPunk (37)
3	DWetzel	WWWWombat (28), jcohen (44), Luckbox Inc (32)
2	sjg11	Phelanpt (61), dils (14)
2	Guild	CalledDownLight (63), The Moocher (33)
2	DarthPunk	Guild (9), Synonym (12)
1	CalledDownLight	Lawrencelot (5)
1	WWWWombat	Shills (13)
1	jcohen	DWetzel (29)
9	not voting	Tattersail (1), SystemOverload (5), Rokk_Krinn (7), Missing Person (45), Mattchew (0), Gamer Dude (10), djarm67 (14), corycurren (25), _J_ (0)

Synonym follows Guild on a vote here. He has been pretty quiet today. Maybe one to watch.

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05-07-2014 , 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Missing Person

5%

Champions 3 was relatively vanillaish, so I'm guessing scum JOAT was a pretty damn good role for them. Only way I see sacrificing it D1 is if you had an even more powerful role that you wanted to clear. I don't see that as likely here. It's too -EV for most of this game. Even so, why not just wait 'til D2 so you can use the kill?

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05-07-2014 , 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by WWWWombat

Wow. Clearing 3 scummy ****s and continuing to tunnel on Luckbox Could you be any wolfier right now?

Yes, yes I could. For one thing, I could actually be a wolf, which would make me wolfier than I am right now.

First, I think it's a total lie to say I've been "tunneling" Luckbox; in fact I'd say it's pretty obvious that it's he who has been tunneling me.

Second, why do you think each of those other three is scummy?

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