3/12 Hoodwinked Vanilla+ Game Thread

[VarianceMinefield]

yo younguns can u read that sequence assuming me and flytrap are villa and sewe what u think?

[younguns87]

VarianceWolfField Reread

Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield

andrewgreve

K, so right off the bat you find Andrew wolfy for something

Originally Posted by AndrewGreve

First off guys, I want to apologize for not contributing as much as I should have. I was lying in bed thinking about WW(not just this game) feeling a little depressed about my play thus far(or lack of play really) kinda wanting to throw in the towel. This game is looking pretty grim. No seer, no angel, only one mason left and the wolves have all their PRs. I was thinking about the vig. The vig is our only hope, literally. 2 wolf nks mean we have very little time left.
The vig is super effective when he doesnt have to worry about hitting potential peeked players. So no that the seer is dead, we can try to look at the bright side, the vig just needs to destroy some wolf faces and win.

In order for that to happen no villager can give up or play lazy(mainly thinking of myself playing the self pity game). Due to time conflicts I have been absent. But I am not lazy. We must scrutinize every detail of the seers posts and clear who he has peeked. its the only way we win. We must have lock-villas to allow the vig to hit wolves.

Me putting this itt means the wolves prob wont stop hunting for vig, so every possible cleared villa is important now. I think the correct play here is to clear homers peeks then out the last mason and hope the vig hits the vig-wolf or seer-wolf. with potentially 3 cleared villas that gives the vig a 4/5 chance at hitting a wolf tonight. and the wolves a 1/5 chance to hit the vig. so as far as the mason part it comes down to how important that 3% is. I am not a super math junkie but someone could prob run the numbers on mason +2 villas; mason +1; see if the mason shout out or not.

I hate people PR hunting itt like this as villa or wolf. But desperate times call for desperate measures. This is the best chance at the village getting back in this.

we are at a worst case scenario must-lynch here.
If we mislynch tonigh, vig hits a villa, and wolves hit 2 other villas its 4-4 game over.

as long as I dont get stuck at work will be back at 7 pacific.

Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield

awesome posts binkles and andrew

you both move up

This just seems so fake and too easily dishing out village points. I want to say you just grouped these two people and I highly doubt that all 3 of you are on the wolf team.

Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield

slighted

Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield

this makes me strongly think slighted is a wolf who made a slip

it seems like trap is villa now. that was my read originally. i never see wolves not go into anti spew after a peek

this sounds like slighted knows he is the miller

if flytrap is a wolf then slighted wouldnt think hes gonna freak out

trap would be super aware of the homer peek

This makes sense, sort of. I think people are giving to much weight into the fact that flytrap fought his lynch. That's pretty standard for people to do, I've done it before, I've seen it done before. Unless it is absolutely clear wolves will try to wriggle their way free.

but regardless this post is fine.

Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield

andrew has 0

suspicious

Right. exactly. You should now be worried that he is a wolf

Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield

Village
Montecore
NlSoldier
Crmccarty
Younguns87

Comeasur
Caedus

Unsure
Vaya
Flytrap

Wolf
Andrewgreve
Slighted
Captain Binkles

i dont think my top 4 villagers should ever be lynched. we have to trust they are villagers or weve lost already

i decided that binkles was defending me because he didnt want me to pressure him

it worked till now.

i think flytrap is either the miller or the wolf sk

Few things,

1) Andrew is now your #1 wolf read and he is a wagon, why do you not want to see him lynched?

2) Now you are unsure that flytrap is a villager, what changed?

3) Clearly when you posted that you liked Binkles and Andrew's post it didn't matter that much cause they are both on your wolf side.

Originally Posted by VayaConDios

Votes as of post 1295
Night in 01:09
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YEah, you never voted Andrew even though he was your #1 wolf lean, you went on to lead a cfd onto another villager. That is either a really unfortunate coincidence for you or you are a wolf, and i tend to think it's the latter.

Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield

yo younguns can u read that sequence assuming me and flytrap are villa and sewe what u think?

I found umpteen other wolfy things you've done this game, your thought process hasn't been consistent, your lists don't line up with your posts, and you didn't vote your #1 wolf read.

Come At Me Sir.

[younguns87]

Also an updated wolf team:

Variance
FlyTrap
CoMeasure/Caedus

[younguns87]

and it appears no one is around so im going to bed,

If someone wants to be productive, reread Andrew for spew

[comeasur337]

Still don't know what to make of Andrew's claim. It looks like he's saving himself in order to get flytrap lynched, but everyone thinks fly is still a wolf for that? younguns, I was off of fly and onto Slighted because I didn't want to hinge the entire game on Andrew being the vig as I had previously stated. I pointed out to Vaya how Slighted was being wolfy towards EOD and he obviously agreed with me as he voted for Slighted. Everything still looks like the wolves wanted to get fly lynched, why would they even bother with the fake claim there if not?

Here's the remaining player list:
Caedus
captainbinkles
comeasur
crmcarty
flytrap
Montecore
VarianceMinefield
younguns

5 villagers (3 vanilla, 1 mason, 1 miller) and 3 wolves (1 vanilla, 1 seer, 1 vig).

Take crm out of there as he's the mason and we're at:
Caedus
captainbinkles
comeasur
flytrap
Montecore
VarianceMinefield
younguns

4 villagers (3 vanilla, 1 miller) and 3 wolves (1 vanilla, 1 seer, 1 vig).

Flytrap was clearly a wolf peek, but Andrews claim makes me think he's way more likely to be the miller than to be an actual wolf. The wolves wanted flytrap gone yesterday, there's no other explanation for the vig claim. Taking flytrap out as the miller and myself out as a villager which I know to be true, I'm left with:

Caedus
captainbinkles
Montecore
VarianceMinefield
younguns

2 vanillagers, 3 wolves.

I'm going to leave it at this for now. I have to go to work shortly and don't want to get too caught up in rereading before then. Please don't be hasty with your votes today, we can solve this game if we're willing to put in the time and effort.

[comeasur337]

That said, I still think Caedus is a villager. Monte is the player that's bugging me the most as I don't think he's been putting in as good of work since day 1, so if his entire goal was to get cleared early and try to skate to the end as a hidden wolf, he's done a good job. Will reread him when I get home tonight for inconsistencies.

Gun to my head right now and I think it's binkles/VMF/Monte. I hope crm is around today to put in a ton of work, as his information will be very useful since we know him to be a villager.

[crmccarty]

Originally Posted by NLSoldier

holy **** comsur that is an epic find. since we know who the masons are and binkles isn't one of them he must be a wolf?

VERY possible, though that's predicated on NLS flipping Mason, and that's a silly gamble. Though, no it isn't. At worst, people overlook it and if NLS DOES flip Mason, it's perfect cover. I'm pretty sure Binks is a wolf here. But not just for this.

Originally Posted by comeasur337

Still don't know what to make of Andrew's claim. It looks like he's saving himself in order to get flytrap lynched, but everyone thinks fly is still a wolf for that? younguns, I was off of fly and onto Slighted because I didn't want to hinge the entire game on Andrew being the vig as I had previously stated. I pointed out to Vaya how Slighted was being wolfy towards EOD and he obviously agreed with me as he voted for Slighted. Everything still looks like the wolves wanted to get fly lynched, why would they even bother with the fake claim there if not?

Here's the remaining player list:
Caedus
captainbinkles
comeasur
crmcarty
flytrap
Montecore
VarianceMinefield
younguns

5 villagers (3 vanilla, 1 mason, 1 miller) and 3 wolves (1 vanilla, 1 seer, 1 vig).

Take crm out of there as he's the mason and we're at:
Caedus
captainbinkles
comeasur
flytrap
Montecore
VarianceMinefield
younguns

4 villagers (3 vanilla, 1 miller) and 3 wolves (1 vanilla, 1 seer, 1 vig).

Flytrap was clearly a wolf peek, but Andrews claim makes me think he's way more likely to be the miller than to be an actual wolf. The wolves wanted flytrap gone yesterday, there's no other explanation for the vig claim. Taking flytrap out as the miller and myself out as a villager which I know to be true, I'm left with:

Caedus
captainbinkles
Montecore
VarianceMinefield
younguns

2 vanillagers, 3 wolves.

I'm going to leave it at this for now. I have to go to work shortly and don't want to get too caught up in rereading before then. Please don't be hasty with your votes today, we can solve this game if we're willing to put in the time and effort.

I'm 99.99% sure Monte can come out of that list, leaving us with

Caedus
Binks
VMF
YG

I think that Caedus has been the most villagery of those 4, but I'm not positive. I'm least sure that VMF is a villager (no solving at all) so I'm good with a VMF lynch today. Getting a wolf lynched is great. Leaves us at 3 vs. 2, but getting the wolf VIG lynched today leaves us at 4 vs. 2, so I think we should talk about who has tried to seem most non-wolfy. Man, **** this game. Total mind****. Binks and YG have attempted to "solve" the game. I expect that from them. And, them posting a lot isn't different. I'd bet they are wolf vig and wolf seer in some order. VMF has been sorta wolfy, but no trying to solve or be entirely non-memorable, so I'd say he's the regular wolf.

No clue who would be the vig between YG and Binks, though I'm not sure it matters all that much. We're at 5-3. If we lynch a wolf (not vig), then tomorrow we start at 3-2 and (assuming we know the wolves) have a 50/50 shot at winning. If the wolf vig is within YG/Binks and we lynch in that order, and end with VMF lynch, we can't lose. If vig isn't in YG/Binks, then we lose no matter what if we vote in that order.

If we lynch the vig today, then we go into tomorrow with 4-2, which is still must lynch... Balls. Assuming we get to 3-2 and lynch the non-vig again, that takes the wolves to 1, but does the wolf vig get a wolf AND a vig kill? That's important to know. If so, then there's no way to win without finding the wolf vig.

Another important note, why would they kill NLS/Vaya and not me? I was super cleared, but maybe I was wrong about things and they assumed Vaya could solve better than I could (which I probably wouldn't argue with).

More thinking needed, but first, bed time. I'm hoping to have four solid hours to work on this tomorrow while at work, not counting other time later in the day, so we should be able to solve this thing.

Until then, I want Binks/VMF/YG to tell me why they AREN'T wolves and, if so, who ARE wolves. Also, if they could just admit to which is vig so the town can win, that'd be awesome.

[crmccarty]

Originally Posted by comeasur337

That said, I still think Caedus is a villager. Monte is the player that's bugging me the most as I don't think he's been putting in as good of work since day 1, so if his entire goal was to get cleared early and try to skate to the end as a hidden wolf, he's done a good job. Will reread him when I get home tonight for inconsistencies.

Gun to my head right now and I think it's binkles/VMF/Monte. I hope crm is around today to put in a ton of work, as his information will be very useful since we know him to be a villager.

Get off Monte. I can NOT see him as wolf here.

[captain binkles]

YG do you have any experience with Andrew aside from [ongoing game]?

[captain binkles]

If we nail the wolf vig today then we can no lynch tomorrow I think

[crmccarty]

Originally Posted by captain binkles

If we nail the wolf vig today then we can no lynch tomorrow I think

I mean, I guess so, but since I've found all the wolves, why no lynch tomorrow?

[captain binkles]

Originally Posted by AndrewGreve

that sounds like pretty good odds actually

known w/v interaction with slighted

Originally Posted by AndrewGreve

hey bing post restriction looks rough. NL have I played with you before?

interaction with NLS (a confirmed villa) and me, which makes me a villager, donuts

Originally Posted by AndrewGreve

In general I am much more nervous while posting. That was my only wolf game and i ended up being absent alot more than normal. I think my analysis is alot weaker/forced. Have you read any of my villa games to compare?

Originally Posted by AndrewGreve

I was actually pretty curious what you thought of that game

I don't super like to read someone for spew concerning me, because I suffer from confirmation bias or whatever it's called. But I think here this helps spew me villager pretty hard. The end of the first post, "Have you read any of my villa games to compare?" reads like a wolf talking to a villager, he said he's nervous as a wolf and he's already worried about my ability to read him here.

This is further backed up by the second post, where he says he was actually pretty curious about my thoughts. He already wants to know my thoughts on his game so he can get an idea of how to potentially adjust and look villagery in his mind. As w/w he'd put the info out there if I asked for it but he wouldn't already be worried about my reaction imo.

Originally Posted by AndrewGreve

Page two
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Bold #1: was super true in the first game I ever played.

Bold #2 I have the exact opposite reaction to comesaur.


villa points to monte, this post is super hard to make as a wolf

villa for sure.




wolfy entrance. Do you ever try at WW?

no problem


I disagree with his opinion on this but slighted is still villa.



these are wolfy







UAW comes off very wolfy in these posts


looking pretty good here


I have reasons to doubt this now, but I still have found super rage to be more common in villas than wolves, at least on D1.
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Im going to skim the rest to have time to interact before EOD

He gives Annie a wolf lean immediately, along with UAW. I think he mostly calls villagers villagers though.

Originally Posted by AndrewGreve

I hope his muted tone is because he is trying to keep a level head. Now just do something for the village.

This is his really awkward response to Annie, and note that it was w/w

Originally Posted by Montecore

There are two hours left, just barely enough time to get those page 2 and 3 MQs done . . .

Originally Posted by AndrewGreve

I did page 2. I think I am a fast reader but I guess not.

And this response to Montecore comes off as a lot more defensive, but not in aggressive way, more in a like resigned 'oh fine you're right' way which I think is how wolves treat villagers a lot in this spot.

Originally Posted by AndrewGreve

Village:
Slighted
andrewgreve
Montecore

Villalean:
captainbinkles
comeasur
crmcarty
Rand:
VayaConDios
Vix
VMF
flytrap
Gadarene
homernoonjr
NLSoldier
McAvoy
27allin
Caedus

Wolfy:
Anarchist
UAW710

Wolf:
BLS

Aside from Annie I'm guessing that the other wolves are in the rand category. Almost certainly not in the villa cat and highly unlikely to be in the villa lean cat.

Originally Posted by AndrewGreve

It is purely from his first post contradicting with his english for the rest of the game. plus that vote not making much sense. I want to here from him what he meant from that. besides the second post he made that did not clarify at all.

I forget who this post referred to. It's about BLS but I think he was responding to somebody.

Originally Posted by AndrewGreve

Carty looked villa early and then raged. his post doesn't address my concerns with BLS, but has village thought process.

This is how he calls a villager a villager

Originally Posted by AndrewGreve

CRM has been very villa all game to me.

And again

Originally Posted by AndrewGreve

I dont know that
Can you convince the village to believe you? I have a pretty happy villa read of crm right now.

And again

Originally Posted by AndrewGreve

bink:
Slighted is making sense on his reasoning with voting and YG's logic doesnt agree with mine. I know I have very limited exp with him but I expect to basically agree on things like this with him always

Says that slighted (a villager) is making sense but YG isn't. Possibly makes them w/w? There's been a lot of interaction with villagers here, and again he's responding to me. The indirect reference to YG is kinda weird.

Originally Posted by AndrewGreve

Maybe our definitions are different but seeing why a wagon gains traction super fast, and why a wagon stops after roles are revealed is very useful. If every player votes the same person, It would be pretty tough to explain a vote as a wolf, as a villager you would have a pretty good explanation. How often do villas vote runaway wagons because everyone else does? At worse it is because of a specific person, convincing them. When that persons role has become clear a runaway wagon has plenty of info based on interactions.

wagonomics might suffer with runaway votes, but IMO wagonomics is the easiest thing for the wolves to manipulate. Only combined with interactions leading to the votes does wagon analysis become useful. You have that regardless of the spread.

the problem with multiple wagons(over2) is that the topic of focus for interactions becomes varied and more difficult to look at for each individual

Originally Posted by AndrewGreve

wagonomics as a tool to gauge interactions is = effective with 2 wagons even if lop sided. why does 8-9 votes make wagonomics more effective than 4-13?

Both these posts to YG near the EOD. Were they made to look like they were doing busy work? The UAW snipe looks really bad with this in mind.

Originally Posted by AndrewGreve

You asked for real time interactions, I cant do both. I use deep reading as a way to gauge the interactions and make reads. Im hoping to do the opposite today

This though is kinda defensive but doesn't actually push me much.

Originally Posted by AndrewGreve

Village:
Slighted - he has had solid interactions all day
comeasur - looks more villa with every post
andrewgreve
Montecore - still working hard and I like it.

Villalean:
crmcarty - still villa from yesterday plus mac saving him
Rand:
VayaConDios
VMF
flytrap
Gadarene -
homernoonjr -
NLSoldier -
YG - I would have had him as a villa lean, but our logic disjunction and his lack of interest in discussing it with me is bad. He could have been tired of the topic since it was called a dead horse. Normally I take fresh topics and turn them to deadhorses to get reads.
Caedus -

Wolfy:
UAW710 - have seen nothing from today. but D1 was wolfy.
Bink - Seems to be bullying the thread to get reactions without making any effort to resolve the reactions or even waiting for the reactions to clear themselves.

Wolf:
BLS - like a couple different lines of thinking all spliced together

But now all of a sudden I'm in the wolf list? He can't keep his read of me straight here because he's trying to discredit the way I'm pushing him imo.

Originally Posted by AndrewGreve

switch with me?

This is to Montecore and like lock clears Montecore.

Originally Posted by AndrewGreve

Negative I have been trying to sleep. but I will give the village 2 complete hours tonight. plus skimming from work.

Another defensive post towards me, trying to keep me off his back.

Originally Posted by AndrewGreve

did we come to a consensus on vaya/cad?

Cad may be a wolf from this post. Wolves loves to mention a villa and a wolf in the same post like this, and given the confusion with the peeks (and the death of Vaya) it could definitely be possible imo.

Originally Posted by AndrewGreve

flytrap is a peeked wolf no?

Originally Posted by AndrewGreve

If I miss a wolf tonight, and flytrap is miller. me claiming my kill locks the win for wolves. I am not claiming my kill.

I think this actually likely confirms that he and flytrap are w/w. I mean it was pretty clear anyway imo. Like he says that flytrap is a peeked wolf and then all of a sudden reverses his read because he says slighted and vmf CFDs coming, so he changes his read to saying that flytrap is a miller. I think the plan was for a CFD to happen and it may be important to see who was voting slighted and where it started.

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So from this I think that Monte and I look best, probably Comeasur too. YG and Fly look bad.

Other people should chime in too though, especially because a lot of the interactions were with me and I'm a little biased :P

[captain binkles]

Originally Posted by crmccarty

I mean, I guess so, but since I've found all the wolves, why no lynch tomorrow?

To maximise the information at our disposal at must lynch.

Just in case that was a serious question.

[VayaConDios]

***DEAD***

gl village!

***DEAD***

[captain binkles]

Okay I'm trying to put a lot of thoughts together right now, but things are starting to coalesce in a way that makes sense. Reading back through the EOD helped a lot. Let's take a look shall we.

Originally Posted by VayaConDios

Votes as of post 1295
Night in 01:09
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Okay so we have a basline here, with an our until EOD Andrew has 4 votes and slighted/fly each have two.

Originally Posted by Slighted

lol so im pushing a flytrap lynch which you agree with..when everyone else is moving away from the obvious.. but yet i still need to be vigged? you make no sense...

Originally Posted by comeasur337

I agree with Slighted that flytrap has to be the lynch today. If he's the miller, I guess we're just unlucky.

So he agrees that flytrap needs to be the lynch here, possibly important to note for later. I think the "If he's the miller, I guess we're just unlucky" comment is pretty wolfy too.

Originally Posted by Slighted

if you guys are ignoring the flytrap peek then you HAVE to ignore the vaya/caedus possible peeks as well, there is no picking and choosing peeks.. that is ridiculous wolfy..

also flytrap used that exact same defense before.. literally to the word.. and yes he was right that time. the person didnt peek him, but wouldnt you use the EXACT SAME WORDING if you were trying to set up people this time when it just happened within the last week...

This is so super important

Flytrap literally has a perfect blueprint with which to fight his lynch as a peeked wolf.

Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield

he made what looks like a TMI slip

his posts are tough to read because theyve always come off wolfy

if u guys think flytrap is villa like i do then u shoudl also want to lynch slighted

This is a bad post, but that may be hindsight talking.

But right now I'm reading this whole day as flytrap being a wolf, and this looks like somebody trying to get the wagons away from w/w. Nobody really bites though.

Originally Posted by captain binkles

Votes as of post 1325
Night in 00:51
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Keep an eye on your post count slighted/nls

Another vote count, 4/3/2 andrew/flytrap/slighted

Originally Posted by younguns87

Like that almost makes me want to vote Caedus now, that was hilariously terrible

Perhaps a wolf fishing for votes on Caedus? Caedus was like never ever being lynched here, but I still don't love this reaction at all. He shows throughout the EOD to be focusing on the wrong parts of the thread imo.

Originally Posted by Caedus

yeah, thats genius

pls do tell me
did u even think about what it could have been? and why all of a sudden i decided to shut up about it?

Originally Posted by Slighted

wtf.. so answer this honestly.. you believe that homer did not peek flytrap? or you believe that he peeked flytrap with 1 of his 2 peeks and flytrap just happened to ALSO be the miller?


and you are willing to let the most likely wolf live through a must lynch situation.

exactly, christ

Originally Posted by comeasur337

I think you misread my post. I'm not ignoring the flytrap peek at all, I was stating why I think flytrap's defense was bad.

So flytrap's defense was bad here, again, worth noting

Originally Posted by Caedus

on wolf team thinking
it doesnt work for me, i can never find a team that i find really fits well
2 or 3 wolves that would fit in certain spots, yes, but i dont see em often
best play to me is lynch most likely wolf, and go from there

I think Come was trying to work out wolf team by how people flip because he didn't want to actually POE himself into a lynch. I'm going to go in this later because I think I found, it's not exactly a slip, but some pretty wolfy conclusions.

Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield

just reading through slighted

he has a clear agenda coming into today

make sure flytrap gets lynched regardless of what he says

but then he also has the post where he says flytrap is going tio freak out

its not cosnistent

more slighted votes

his confidence levels dont match up either

Again tries to get heat onto slighted

Originally Posted by comeasur337

Assuming we lynch flytrap:

If fly flips wolf, who should our vig go after? NLS looks bad for his defense of him, but is that enough reason to take that shot?

If fly flips miller/villa, resolving Andrew should probably be the top priority.

I wouldn't argue against shooting Andrew either way, actually. He's going to be a wagon every day he's left alive just because of the way he's played.

Firstly, this post doesn't really come to any conclusions, it makes no judgement on how flytrap will flip. But again he apparently must be lynched today.

The bolded is awful too given that Andrew flipped a vanilla wolf, especially based on another post he had earlier that I'll try to go into on a later post.

Originally Posted by Perdition

#1344

EOD in :30

Look at this vote count, again it's 5-3-2, not exactly like flytrap was a lock to get lynched

Originally Posted by Slighted

lol.. this is a wolf trying to get the village away from lynching a partner.. the underlined is the most hilarious.. its ME that has the agenda right? the majority of your work in this game has been trying to get me lynched.. you came in with some multi-quotes that were lackluster and then you have sat back and coasted with only re-reading me multiple times..

flytrap today.. vig/lynch vmf tomorrow..

Yes, flytrap today was clearly correct, good lord

Originally Posted by AndrewGreve

ATTENTION VILLAGE
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I really didnt want to do this, but it is our only hope as I am pretty frantic trying to find a way to win for the village.
I am the VIG.
DO NOT LYNCH ME.

N1 - anarchist - I really dont like him very much, and his posts about me were weird so I decided to not waste any of the villages time with his nonsense planned to vig him no matter what.

n2- I was so close to claiming last night, but I honestly didnt because I was planning on giving up. At night I couldnt see the wagon being v/v/v so I decided to clear it up.

and here I am now panicked. I have to hit the vig wolf tonight before I die.
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Originally Posted by Caedus

vig shot on andrew regardless of lynch result is fine
i still prefer my suggestion of slighted/YG regardless of result

but as ive said, vig knows what hes doing, we can leave him to do his job

I think that this is how a villager talks about potential vig shots

Originally Posted by AndrewGreve

flytrap

And zomg a guy who made a self-saving PR claim votes the peeked wolf

Originally Posted by comeasur337

Not sure who our vig should go after if Andrew is lynched, regardless of what he flips. His anti-spew tonight is so telling but it's so hard for me not to vote a likely peeked wolf.

Still hard for him not to vote a likely peeked wolf

Originally Posted by VayaConDios

Come on now, I don't believe you shot annie

Originally Posted by comeasur337

Ugh that claim is so easy for Andrew to make as a wolf and if we believe him and he's lying we lose.

Huh?

Originally Posted by VayaConDios

Huh? What if fly is actually a wolf, and we lynch him and andrew gets shot tonight.

Vaya has the exact same reaction

Originally Posted by AndrewGreve

UNVOTE

but zomg wait, Andrew tries to unvote

Originally Posted by younguns87

Flytrap

This vote likely good imo

Originally Posted by Slighted

lynch flytrap..

if andrew is the vig he needs a set target to hit so we would know tomorrow..(i vote vmf, ldo.)
if andrew is not the vig the real vig needs to shoot him..

andrew needs to know he cant claim this to draw a nk as a villager, while helpful in other games it is extremely unhelpful here..

clearly lynching flytrap is the right answer

Originally Posted by VayaConDios

So worse case if andrew is lying:

we mislynch today

andrew gets shot

two more villas die tonight

leaving us at 5-3 tomorrow I think

Yup

Originally Posted by VayaConDios

Votes as of post 1374
Night in 00:20
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:00 good :01 bad

Okay so it's 5-4-2, and Come and VMF still haven't really posted about this whole thing yet.

Originally Posted by Montecore

Came off fly awful easily there buddy.

Monte notices straight away that Andrew unvotes once fly gets a little too much heat

Originally Posted by AndrewGreve

sorry, that wasnt an unvote.

UNVOTE ME GUYS GO FLYTRAP

FLYTRAP
just in case

But all of a sudden he re backtracks when he realised how he got caught out

Originally Posted by flytrap

Rereading now, hope that I have time to MQ. Look at who is on andrew. It's the cleanest wagon ever. Look who is on me. All suspicious people except maybe comeasuar.

This post is awful, but I'm guessing he's just semi-grunching here

Originally Posted by younguns87

If you are the vig I suggest you shoot between these two:

Binkles
Slighted

Aids, and here is where he starts getting distracted from the thread

Originally Posted by flytrap

Unless someone else claims vig, then we definitely need to kill slighted

The slighted wagon beginsss

Originally Posted by flytrap

I won't have time to MQ, but AG has claimed vig, and is Un'CC right?

This whole "what's the case" type thing is wolfy. It's such a universal wolf tell, Andrew even did it earlier in the thread.

Originally Posted by VayaConDios

varianceminefield

goooooo

Originally Posted by Slighted

another failed village game for me then i guess if im gonna be a vig target.. i clearly dont understand how to "sound" like a villager when im actually a damn villa...

How is this post wolfy?

Originally Posted by younguns87

lol I kinda wanna jump on the Variance minefield cfd

Hmm

Originally Posted by comeasur337

I hate that we're putting the outcome of this game on the thought that both of these statements are correct:

Flytrap is a wolf
Andrew is the villa vig

Huh?

Originally Posted by VayaConDios

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Again, for reference

Originally Posted by younguns87

I'm fine with vigging slighted. Vigging me is stupid

STILL talking about vig shots

Originally Posted by flytrap

Is CRM around? We lynch who he says. If it's me, so be it. We can't lynch a claimed village vig if they are un'cc. I'm worried that the wolves peaked the vig last night, know it's someone that isn't in the thread, and know that AG can claim it, but that is probably remote. If Andrew is indeed a villager, my slighted read loses a lot of steam.

Is this what you guys planned in wolfchat?

Again, flytrap has a perfect blueprint for defending himself and he knows he can get some traction on slighted.

Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield

we are in a interesting spot where we cant make errors though

if we lynch trap and are wrong then we could just lose tonight

Interesting isn't exactly how I'd put it bro

Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield

if trap gets lynched and flips villager then andrew needs to shoot slighted here

More advice itt on who the vig should shoot

Originally Posted by Slighted

which is why we HAVE to lynch the most likely wolf who is flytrap..

if we're wrong and andrew vigs me we 100% lose..

Exactly.

Originally Posted by comeasur337

Vaya, what do you think about Slighted? His EOD has been very wolfy imo but I don't know if it's worth switching to him at the last minute.

All of a sudden the peeked wolf shouldn't be lynched. He asks a villager for the green light to switch to slighted if he can. Slighted's EOD wasn't wolfy at all either.

Originally Posted by Montecore

slighted

I'm not really sure what's going on but flytrap has sounded more villagery today.

What do you mean 'today'? He was only outed as a wolf yesterday.

Originally Posted by younguns87

Alright Binkles is a wolf, putting it in the books now.

We are already in an awful spot bro, even if we lynch a wolf tonight we're in an awful spot, the outcome of this lynch merely means we survive another day it doesn't put us in any better spot

AGAIN Younguns doesn't talk about the lynch.

Originally Posted by VayaConDios

slighted

So a villager hops on here, and I think Monte is a villager who hopped on too given some of his earlier interactions/general villageriness.

Originally Posted by VayaConDios

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But the votes are still only tied. And Caedus is likely to snipe flytrap given everthing he said.

Originally Posted by comeasur337

Slighted

This might as well be a lolcat. He spends the last hour talking about how flytrap needed to be lynched, yet suddenly reacts after Andrew's claim and jumps on slighted once the wagon gets going. Andrew claiming should make flytrap the even more obvious lynch, not slighted, awful awful vote.

Originally Posted by younguns87

well villagers are on Slighted. This ought to be interesting

Sick commentary bro.

Originally Posted by Slighted

jfc.. am i really going to be lynched over a peeked wolf?? **** me..

this is my last post of the day regardless.. im a vanilla villager, i still think vmf,nls and fly are wolves.. please vig one of them to have a chance at tomorrow...

How can people lynch this guy?

Originally Posted by comeasur337

I wouldn't even be surprised if slighted/fly were w/w here with slighted being able to bus due to the peek

Another classic false w/w tell here by comeasur

Hint: he does this a lot

Originally Posted by AndrewGreve

slighted

And surprise surprise the wolf votes for Slighted over Flytrap

Originally Posted by Caedus

flytrap

Excellent snipe but too little too late

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Flytrap needs to die today. Some combination of Comeasur/VMF/YG are his partners, in that order of likelihood I think.

Comeasur for saying that flytrap needs to die and then changing his mind on very little evidence the INSTANT another wagon gained some steam. He gave the excuse that Slighted's posts were wolfy near EOD, but they weren't at all imo. All the pressure on his lynch was from earlier in the day. VMF's case seems much more genuine and he was trying to get pressure on slighted for quite some time, but he was still trying to avoid voting a peeked wolf, he should know that people can fight hard. YG seemed in commentary mode and talked a lot about vig shots instead of the lynch, and his snipe on UAW was not very good imo.