It actually genuinely goes beyond the game. I'm not even mad that he scum reads me I'm mad that he's trolling the daylights out of the game.

And Ore I'm not going to lynch him unless I have no better leads to go off of. Troll town or not he's still a town so if I do end up reading him as a trolling town I'm going to reluctantly keep him alive.

Anyway later now, for reals.

I'll PM you about this after the game. It doesn't really apply since we are not doing that. While I'd like to discuss it more with you, I'm gonna try to not get too off topic on the thread.

Actually, the math is wrong since the ones who already guessed wrong could guess wrong again, but given that they have fewer chances of guessing wrong a second time.

On day two, a person who guessed wrong D1 will have 11 players left in game to choose from, three of which are mafia. Take away the mafian they hit the day before and themself and you get a 2/9 chance of guessing wrong the second time.

On day two, a person who guessed right D1 will also have 11 players left to choose from with 3 mafians. Take away the townie they got yesterday and themself and you have 3/9 chance of guessing wrong on day 2.

The problems I had described increase with every day that goes by.

I say for the record, the plan being discussed is a bad one.

Heh. Wife is asleep. A few more minutes yet.

Do explain. So far all you've done is make short statements like this without backing them up.

Actually, I was town reading chez, and beginning to turn off weareking. Mostly I'm just speculating, though. It's exactly something I would do if I were weareking and chez were my partner. In the future, people are going to look back for connections between players, and having an argument here or there can make a hidden mafia look better.

What I can say is anyone getting that annoyed at Chezinu's antics is doing exactly what he wants. Whatever that is, I'm not yet sure. But for being such a logical poster so far, weareking's sudden frustration to the point of an anti-town move like blocking another player seems illogical to me.

Very well, let's not let the issue distract us since I don't think we were seriously considering doing it anyway. We'll agree to disagree for now as to it's value as a strategy.

Alright, I mean it, I'm gone.

Agreed. Abrasive players trying to annoy people are everywhere, whether it be trolling or strategy or whatever. If you let it get to you then you need to step away from the computer for a couple hours to cool off. Honestly, Chezinu's posts are only mildly irritating. If you think that's bad either you haven't played enough mafia or I seriously envy you your good luck at avoiding those kind of players.

Why were you getting turned off by weareking? What posts of his in particular were doing that to you?

It becomes a question of if help of Chez's reads outweigh the harm he does by distracting others. Since his reads so far are jack meaningless, then any harm outweighs that non-existent benefit, so blocking him is not anti-town.

I'm actually leaning town on Chez, since I don't know if he would pull that as scum in a group that he has never played with. There are some cases where one might and we'll see what and how he does in later days. However, his play is perfect for helping scum in two ways.

One, he distracts town, making it harder for them to get solid reads. That helps scum. Two, he can be an easy mislynch. It is very easy for them to hop on an anti-town bandwagon with little reasoning or questioning of them. It is rare for them to be the ones that start the bandwagon. They usually jump on if they think they can get it to go.

Right, I'm off for the next 9 hours (it's midnight here).

For the record, I also think Chez's summary is garbage...but I think it was supposed to be.


I don't think we should do the cop peek claiming strategy, I'm inclined to agree with Robo. But we don't seem to be doing it anyway, so let's leave that discussion to one side.

beruru, any thoughts other than hating on Radish?


See you guys tomorrow, hopefully the last few peeps check in.

Hello twofers. Your savior has arrived.

I see this is a near-mountainous. That's excellent, those are my favorites.

I'll be caught up shortly. Expect a few posts before I do, as I like to dump the load occasionally.

Also really digging the fact there's a proper working ISO function here, even if I have to download things to work it. That will be useful later.

Take your meds.

Oh, we're going to be good friends.

Lolwagons are best.

I worked 11 hours and the place I work at might very well go under soon. I'm also broke and don't get paid until Friday.

So swimmingly.

Jesus ****ing Christ. I know a lot of players that would be so boisterously turned off by this and would probably spend paragraphs and pages and days telling you how awful you are for this.

Personally, **** it. As long as you cc the mod in all communications so no gamebreaking occurs.

Kinda hard to ensure, though, as obviously you could just leave the mod out of any gamebreaking PMs.

Ok I'm not touching this with a 10 foot stick. MOVING ON.

Lol

Or you could just elaborate because as soon as you say "I can elaborate on this" you know someone is going to ask.

I can think of one. And it's overshadowed by the net benefits to scum.

So please, elaborate.

If you say a single kind thing about prannay I will reach through your optical drive and choke you to death.

You're new to forum games, so I'll be nice: none of this really holds in the forum world.

If this is how you actually play, I will probably lead a lynch on you by the end of this day.

Town contradicts themselves more than scum as a general rule, because town doesn't have to constantly check themselves for things that might be considered a lie or slip. Lynching objectively based on fallacies and contradictions will net you more mislynches than scum lynches.

It's also a very convenient place for scum to "scumhunt", which makes me think you nerf your town game to bolster your scum game. Stop doing that.

Well-balanced mountainous setups are almost always 51/49 scumsided. This is mountainous with a cop and no doc. Not surprising at all.

But you haven't done anything important yet.

Votes from post 9 to post 137
Night in 23:59:52
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
1	ApocPS	Master Radishes (19)
1	Robozerim	Chezinu (8)
1	Master Radishes	beruru (6)
2	unvote	Robozerim (20), Captain Luffy (8)
8	not voting	ApocPS (10), Blode (0), IAmFiction (0), Majiffy (2), Ore_Ele (28), Seeen (0), Slendy (1), weareking (23)

No, it's not how I actually play, Majiffy. That was a nonsensical string of stuff leading to a joke vote. I enjoy having fun with my games, so I was having fun with some of my early posts.

Majiffy, from the several forum games I have played it does hold true. And nah I dislike Pranay just as much as everyone else lmao.

And I elaborated more on my Ore read later on, but I don't feel the need to elaborate on what caused my read at the time. You can figure out on your own, I'm not spoonfeeding you.

Decent analysis though, I will give you that.

Wait according to the last vote update Slendy made a post? Where is it?

Slendy's post is right here. Just checking in to let us know he's not completely absent, that's all.

I'm starting to get concerned.


I see your bluff and call it.. I'm actually going to read your game.

Hmm.. looks like you have voted someone at the beginning of a game before when they had not posted. I'm just seeing a lot of contradictions in your play. There are consistencies such as you stating your belief that scum will always try to act townie instead of scum hunting.

I do agree that Ore_Ele is the towniest poster so far (plus TL supports ponies).

The Chezinu Rule has always been true in teamliquid. I've used this rule many times and it has never failed me. Of course, this is my first time playing forum mafia outside of teamliquid. I'm quite renowned there and I expected to be taken strange here with my unique play style. If you are town, please read up on the Chezinu Rule on teamliquid.

What is the rule?

The rule is that the first person who doesn't know Chezinu to vote Chezinu is mafia.

Why the rule works?

I have a very unique playing style that I can't help. I tried many times over the years to play like everyone else, but it just fails. So what happens is in the beginning of each game with new players, they find me strange. Since they can't read me, they accuse me. But MAFIA has always been the first to accuse as a townie wouldn't have as much confidence. To mafia, I am an easy target.

Now, if you are mafia. Greetings. Now you know who to fear.

I'll be watching you as TL watchers watches us.


In foreign lands, I have not my friends to defend my play and convince town that I am with them at least for the moment. I have an objective to play to win. If I don't produce by day 3, then Team liquidians normally know to lynch me. Yes, it is true. I'm an the most unreadable player that has ever cross the lands of liquidia. The quotes in my bio are real. Google them and then you will know the truth. For I Chezinu Isunizehc troll the truth.

If you want to know how I play, here:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafi...e-of-chezinu#1

If you want to know the messages I am sending to my teamliquidians that are watching this game, here are some links:

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/4764...l-mafia-agenda

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/Chezinu

I sent this to Thingyman when he was concerned that teamliquid was sending a troll to the championship as he has never played with me. I'm a troll in appearance, but trust me I'm playing the game. In due, time you will know.
Dear liquidians, will Chez finally successfully play the sane game? - I will continue to talk to my fan base cause I <3 them.

I'm going to try a different style of play this game as I am playing with new players. So, now you know my old habits.

Also, in response to the last vote count I think my vote should be on Chezinu, unless I misunderstood how things worked. I unvoted to remove my vote from Captain Luffy, then I added a vote on Chezinu after a couple lines. If an unvote in a post negates future votes in that same post, then I'm going to have to make sure not to do it again.

Thanks, I genuinely didn't see it despite CTRL F searching page 1. Whatever still more people that need to talk this game. I feel like he major discussion is going on between only like 4 players.

quote ends after "What battlegrounds will I face my enemy on?"

Sounds a lot like me, except "calmer" instead of "calm".

1. Lead town around by the nose
2. "Why isn't he dead? He's so ****ing townie"
3. "Cuz he keeps leading lynches on town! They're happy to let him do all the work"

E.Z.

False. Lynch the 100 posts. Spam kills town motivation and helps scum win.

And frankly, if they have 100 posts and you can't get a read on them, they're either really bad town and worth the lynch, or probably scum anyway.

I'm actually getting an "idiot" feel from him, but that's usually town.

36 hour dayphases, do try and be on at least 2-3 hours in a 24 hour period. Even if they aren't consecutive.

It will be, later. Preferably if you got some decent sized wagons going, which... none of you did.



Stop discussing "what you should do" and just do it.

You should have placed a vote on him by now. What are you afraid of?

Vote: Ore_Ele

Like that.

Stop trying to keep RVS going and do something.

Weren't you supposed to be going for a walk?

Go die in a fire.

It was a perfectly acceptable RVS pressure vote.

Good god, you probably think prannay knows how to play mafia.

I like you. You can be town. That post sucked and deserved a vote.



YOU MEAN LIKE TOWN WOULD DO?

Good god.

But getting mafia to melt down is so much fun.

Yeah hypoing is bad and should rarely be done.

EST here.

I actually think Slendy's check in post is worse than just not saying anything, it's like a hey guys I haven't read the game but I'm here and will make an obligatory I'm here post without contributing anything.

Yeah, it seems that way. According to the last vote count we have three people who haven't posted yet. It doesn't mean much just yet, the game and day are still pretty young. People simply may not have noticed it started, or have been unable to post due to being asleep or at work or something. If in another 12 hours or so we still have three people who haven't posted we may have a problem, though.

I want to think majiffy is town but from what I see his reads are so far flip flopped from where they should be (scumreading ore and robo) for totally bs reasons that it's making me question them.