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He's also expressed concerned thoughts on robo. Based on a majiffy flip I don't think you could confidently rule out robo as scum even if majiffy is scum. I fail to see what info you will accomplish from it. If you're town, you already know you are town. The reasons for lynching him just seem really contrived to me.

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05-28-2015 , 02:35 PM

#1027

weareking

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You have him as a 3/10 potential to be scum and you're lynching him? Surely you have to have a better scum read amongst the other 8 players than that come on.

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05-28-2015 , 02:37 PM

#1028

Captain Luffy

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Originally Posted by weareking

You have him as a 3/10 potential to be scum and you're lynching him? Surely you have to have a better scum read amongst the other 8 players than that come on.

You didn't read my post correctly.

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On a scale of 1-10, 1 being super scum & 10 being super town. I have Majiffy at a 3.

Highlighted for clarity.

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05-28-2015 , 02:44 PM

#1029

weareking

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Oh ok, I did misread that sorry. Still feels like to me you're voting him more because you don't like his playstyle. I don't remember who said that majiffy's abrasiveness would get him lynched but whoever did may soon be right.

Dang only 5 hours 15 minutes until EoD, where did the time go?

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05-28-2015 , 02:53 PM

#1030

Ore_Ele

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Originally Posted by Slendy

Ore how did you end up from considering Radish--Luffy--Chezinu your only suspects (post 335) to making a huge wall on beruru (post 379) when most of the stuff you seem to imply is suspicious happened way before your post 335 and there's NO post indicating a change of mind on your part in-between?

Seems forced as hell.

That's where the wagon was, so that was the person that I dug. To see if after digging I would town read them or not. I didn't have a read until after I did the dig.

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05-28-2015 , 03:00 PM

#1031

Ore_Ele

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Has anyone noticed any significant style changes in anyone else this DP vs last?

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05-28-2015 , 03:00 PM

#1032

ChampionsMod

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Votes from post 625 to post 1031
Night in 4:59:58
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
3	Robozerim	ApocPS (34), IAmFiction (38), Blode (9)
1	Slendy	Ore_Ele (20)
1	Ore_Ele	Slendy (26)
1	Captain Luffy	Majiffy (38)
1	Majiffy	Captain Luffy (30)
1	Blode	weareking (101)
3	unvote	Robozerim (29), Master Radishes (40), Chezinu (28)

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05-28-2015 , 03:01 PM

#1033

weareking

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Yes, Slendy stopped lurking in the last 12 hours.

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05-28-2015 , 03:02 PM

#1034

Chezinu

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Originally Posted by Ore_Ele

Has anyone noticed any significant style changes in anyone else this DP vs last?

Why are you voting Slendy?

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05-28-2015 , 03:02 PM

#1035

weareking

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Whether it's scum paranoia over being lynched or genuine town I have yet to decide. There's been a few posts that have struck me as town despite his awful D1 play and lurking for more than half of D2.

Blode meanwhile...

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05-28-2015 , 03:04 PM

#1036

Chezinu

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Blode

Where is this guy?

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05-28-2015 , 03:05 PM

#1037

Chezinu

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Don't you know you can't be a champion is you be not posting?

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05-28-2015 , 03:06 PM

#1038

Ore_Ele

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Originally Posted by Chezinu

Why are you voting Slendy?

See my digs on Slendy and Blode earlier this DP

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05-28-2015 , 03:07 PM

#1039

weareking

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Blode's last post he admitted to having reasons to FoS beruru that he did not post despite being here at the EoD. Why he would withhold stuff is beyond me, I don't see any reason why a town would withhold his thought processes unless they directly benefit scum. This is not one of those.

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05-28-2015 , 03:09 PM

#1040

Ore_Ele

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Originally Posted by weareking

Yes, Slendy stopped lurking in the last 12 hours.

I know that one, is there anyone else? The reason I ask is because as someone pointed out, mafia can't talk during the day. So last DP, they couldn't organize or plan or say to each other "what the heck are you doing?!" Basically, does anyone show any signs of coaching compared to last DP?

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05-28-2015 , 03:10 PM

#1041

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His Robo vote still shows apathy. He just said I agree with what Fiction posted but want to do more research before voting. A few posts later he voted without stating what he found out to make him do so. I think it was post 788 or something that I called him out on it. Let me go check.

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05-28-2015 , 03:11 PM

#1042

Chezinu

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Originally Posted by Ore_Ele

You gotz to gives me creds... but then again, I saw it when I went to figure the filter then so cred kind of goes to a Big Seal.

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05-28-2015 , 03:11 PM

#1043

Ore_Ele

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Blode

He said that it wasn't a lie, he just didn't share why he scum read her, and I believe he still hasn't shared.

Also, can someone summarize the case on Luffy? I'm out in a few minutes.

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05-28-2015 , 03:13 PM

#1044

weareking

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Ahh **** it was 789 not 788.

I haven't noticed any real differences. Apo's still playing a quietish but informative game, Luffy's still all over the place, majiffy still is strongarming though he's been around notably less time than last day, Blode's...still lurking.

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05-28-2015 , 03:20 PM

#1045

weareking

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Originally Posted by Master Radishes

Okay. I've had an iffy feeling about Luffy all game, so I went back to see if there was any basis to my feeling..

Luffy has been insistent all game long on what his style of play is and that he's going to stick to it. Examples: here and here and here and here and here and here and here. That's - count 'em - seven mentions of his style of play in less than two rounds, all fairly spread out throughout the game.

He opens with a random vote on Majiffy, which he later claims helped start the game, although it really didn't. He half-heartedly tries to again claim it at least prompted Majiffy to post, before contradicting himself. Later, he lightly pushes on the Majiffy-as-wolf idea, because he doesn't trust the 'town leader shtick.' Late in the round, in the midst of the beruru-Seeen fiasco, he brings up Majiffy again, and later suggests the Cop investigate him because he's a 'blowhard.' (He also welcomes an investigation on himself.)
In DP2, his first response is to accuse Majiffy, along with chezinu and Ore, using the tunneled lynch as a reason. He adds a vote for Majiffy to 'gather a ton of info.' He strengthens his suspicion because Majiffy had yet to post in DP2. He re-votes for Majiffy, but implies it's due to his "loose cannon" nature that will hurt the Town - not because of a scumread. He again pushes at Majiffy for being insulting, posting the same meme again and again, and leading a lynch vote on a Town. Last I checked, only one of those is a quasi-legit reason.

So he's been hard after Majiffy all game, but has never entirely made clear why other than Majiffy being a 'loose cannon' (which, to me, implies Town, not scum) and leading a vote on a Town.

He also says near the end of DP1 that he prefers to lynch inactives than an unconfirmed scum. I...um...what? That's a rather anti-town behaviour. No scum is confirmed - that's the whole point of rooting them out.

He also thinks his early posts had content (I disagree; an RVS vote does not content make), wanted to stay off the bandwagon at the EoD (then later joined in), worried about a last-minute vote switch (that he himself helped start), would feel bad if Seeen was Town (no, really?), thinks he has been standing out (not sure what his definition of 'standing out' is), doesn't trust anyone except Master Radishes (his only Town read I can find all game, mentioned twice), waits for us to prompt him to talk (and does so again), and is aware when he might look scummy (which is when he doesn't post enough).

Other than Majiffy, he has also gone after Chezinu a little bit, because he doesn't remember his posts.

Basically...I don't know what to make of him. He tackles easy but non-mainstream lynch targets (Majiffy, chezinu), whereas scum would be more likely to push for the mainstream ones. He seems intent on reminding us he has his own style he's sticking to. He makes some really odd posts and statements, some of which are anti-town, but nothing stands out to me as particularly terrible, and may just suggest bad townie rather than scum.

I'm leaning towards unhelpful Townie, I think, but I may change my mind after thinking about it.

This is pretty accurate Ore.

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05-28-2015 , 03:22 PM

#1046

Chezinu

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Before you go Ore,

I want you to know, TL really does love ponies... So much so... this was made years ago, you can google image search it.. tis real.

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05-28-2015 , 03:22 PM

#1047

Captain Luffy

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Originally Posted by Master Radishes

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Originally Posted by Robozerim

Here's a first chunk of my looking at Luffy's posts.

Early posts are generally small. Mentions he likes weareking's posts initially. After Majiffy comes around to grill him, he says king is either a wolf or jittery town. Says he likes Master Radishes. Comments that his posts have content, specifically "commentary and thought", though his commentary and thought seemed to generally be pretty light and superficial, not going beyond a basic read. Most of his posts aren't even that up to that point, though it'd be hypocritical of me to hate on him for content light early posts.

Gets kind of defensive when weareking mentions not liking him for his lack of presence.

Gets kind of defensive over Majiffy saying he's potentially scum.

Explicitly states "I am town" and that he doesn't want to participate in the "overwhelming dp1 wagon"

Suggests that the cop look at him if he wants, but thinks Majiffy would be a better choice. This is after beruru claims cop, which indicates he suspects that beruru isn't telling the truth, or he missed the claim, or something along those lines. If he didn't believe the claim, then it would seem odd that beruru would die if he was a mafian, though I suppose he could have been shouted down by his allies. Asking to be investigated is generally a suspicious thing to do in my experience, either being reverse psychology or coming from scum with investigation immunity (though that doesn't apply in this case).

That last bit about him suggesting the cop's investigations that night interests me. As said, it could mean that he didn't believe beruru, or perhaps he just missed it. If the former, it is odd that beruru was killed if he is mafia. Is this enough to give pause to the lynching of him, or do you guys think he just missed it or had a brain fart or something?

I'd be interested in hearing what Luffy says about that post of his.

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Originally Posted by Master Radishes

Just to sum up my big Wall O' text on Luffy a few posts up, since I know no one got time fo dat:

-He RVS voted Majiffy, then stuck with it throughout the game. His reasons seem to amount to not liking Majiffy's style, though, rather than a legit scumtell.

-His DP2 target, other than Majiffy, has been Chezinu. Reason: he didn't remember Chez's posts.

-He has mentioned his playing style and how it affects his way of looking at the game 7 times.

-He has made some odd statements, such as thinking his early posts had content (they didn't) or that through his play he is standing out in a way no mafia would want to (he wasn't); he also said (paraphrasing) lynching inactives is better than lynching an unconfirmed mafia and and I'd welcome a Cop investigation - and, my favourite, I would feel bad if Seeen is town.

There's a lot of oddities there. But I think a Mafia would be more careful in his wording and wouldn't dare target Majiffy rather than pushing a more mainstream wagon.

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Originally Posted by Robozerim

Opens the day strongly against Majiffy.

Does basically an "I told you so" by saying he didn't like either beruru or seeen's wagons.

Says he thinks at least one of Majiffy, Chezinu and Ore_Ele are scum.

Next post he says he'd like to focus on Majiffy, Blode and Robo. I find that a little odd he would point out three people only to almost completely change his choice for pressure in his next post, but that's about it.

Explains his sporadic posting is due to work.

Tries to get people to talk about Chezinu. I'll give my 2 cents on Chezinu: I don't have much of a read on him. If weareking is scum, then I'd say he's town. If king is town, then he could be anything.

Retracts his Majiffy vote, though puts it back onto him saying that Majiffy's playstyle is going to cause town to self-destruct.

Posts town and scum games he's played (without any prompting if I recall). Though I posted such things in response to requests, it's still something that I've gotten flak for too.

Says he'll look into my posts, but can't do it right away because he's at work.

I feel kind of mixed about Captain Luffy now. Some things strike me as suspicious, other things not so much. While going through I noted he liked to mention that he is town frequently. He reacts poorly a few times when he's accused, he tries to spearhead a wagon on Majiffy based on disliking his playstyle.

I admit, it's probably that cop investigation suggestion post that is making me hesitant to vote for him. If it weren't for that, I doubt I'd have much trouble doing so.

Basically the case against me.