Good morning friends. Nice to play with you all. Time to get down to business. There are a few ways we could decide who to use our first vote on:

1. The person with the least experience- This is an interesting idea. We have a 33% chance of hitting scum and if we don't, we hit a less experienced player. This probably isn't a good idea. We are supposed to be the best of the best around here, so even the least experienced player should be good. Voting this way would cause us to vote for Lissa.

2. The person with the most experience- Theoretically, this should be the bets player. As scum, they would be the most dangerous. As town, they'd be the most helpful. Again, theoretically. This is an awful idea. I'd hate to lose a top player, in this case soah, early.

3. The person with the worst bio- If they didn't care enough to make a good bio, maybe they won't care a ton about the game. In this case, it would be Visorslash, who only put up a video of Ali.

But screw all that, I don't want to stray from my normal play. At Draftcountdown, I always start a game off with a random number generator. It's completely random, it means nothing, and I don't use it at any other point other than the first post. So here it is.

Scum: ashersky, mashi, kawamii

ashersky

Now I'm off to read the couple of pages we have to see if anything sticks out so I can actually have a legit vote.

Man, I'm an idiot. 3/13 is definitely NOT 33%. More like 23%. It's too early and I haven't had my coffee yet. Carry on.

Well, so that's why you've come out swinging, I guess, Jrdrylie. Several players have. Must be the excitement, or jet fuel vapors.

yea i saw a couple of your posts but i stopped following like a couple of hours in

were you town or scum in that game?

jrdrylie

I was Lawful Good Village, and apart from being Vig killed half-way through Day 1 I thought I had a pretty good game - we were able to nail Scum right off and rather handily win the game.

Did anybody follow the previous three games? I only followed day one of the first game, just to get a bit of the vibe on how games on this site run. There were some interesting ideas brought up in it though.

I followed the first briefly. What interesting ideas?

Votes from post 8 to post 83
Night in 33:24:47
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
2	No Lynches	Phoenicks (9), nolemonplease (9)
1	spruce	No Lynches (21)
1	ashersky	Jrdrylie (3)
1	Jrdrylie	Riki (10)
8	not voting	ashersky (10), Gnawazan (2), Kawamii (0), Lissa2 (0), Mashiii (1), notquitethere (0), soah (0), spruce (9)

1. One guy suggested that either everybody claim cop and say who they "peeked." Or nobody claim cop. The guy who suggested it ended up being the cop and was killed night one. He claimed cop on page two. Needless to say, it did not work out. The reasoning was decent but I'm definitely on the side of no unnecessary role reveals, especially day one.

2. A discussion about the utility of town members lying. I actually thought this was a fruitful discussion. If nothing else, it helped people learn the mindset and playing style of strangers.

3. Discussion about the random voting stage- we've already had a small discussion about that here. On my site, it's a mixed bag. I always start with a random vote. And several other players do as well. Then there are players who almost never vote and it pisses off a lot of players. There definitely isn't a defined random voting stage and day ones are generally awful and end in a no lynch because people are too scared/inactive to lynch somebody off day one.

I followed 2 a bit - 'cause we sort of but not really had a rep in that game (Timewave from AFA, but who plays at mt MR too), and I followed the most postie game in the history of mankind too, where I could (mostly by ignoring Banks and pizza's posts after I figured them for Town).

I was on the Skype spectator board too, which indeed brought up some interesting strategies about fake Seer-peeks and successful Seer-hunter-cover, as long as everyone is on-board about it. I guess in the end it worked out for the game 3ers, but honestly, it seemed to confuse the Villagers as much as help - they lynched their Seer, afterall, though won the game with some certainty.

I am alive and awake. Just about.

Everyone
So one of the ideas that was used in the previous game was for everyone to give their N0 cop read as if they were the cop. The trouble with this, is it gives too much info to scum who are able to rule out as cops those players that picked scum (or, later, dead town) as their N0 pick.

So what's the solution to this?

Jrdrylie
10/13 of the players neither are the most nor least experienced and haven't got the worst bio. Your rationale is for making the most of the mislynch rather than catching scum per se.

Also, what's the point in declaring that your vote has absolutely no force behind it and is completely random? Why bother voting yet if people aren't going to be at least marginally unsettled?

So far here, I like nicks opening vote on Nolyn, and that of nolemon, though I'm not a big fan of place-holder voting and then leaving for hours – that has never worked out well for me. I know they'll all be back, but I'd be more inclined to wait 'till then to vote, or at least hang around a while after placing a vote – to see if there are immediate reactions.

And though I like the Dry's (Jrdrylie) opening attempt at analyses, it seems a forced opening stab at looking all logicy and villagish, which maybe is just Championship jitters, but it makes me think well of Riki's vote there. Dry has looked better in following up on strategy concerns.

No Lynches is an official 2+2 rep and seems to have the most experience of us on playing this site, and I'm not so sure such an experienced wolf would almost wet himself with excitement to start the game, but pressing there is indeed perhaps the best place to start - were any of the Aussies still around.

We are in the random voting stage. Thus, my vote is random. I'm just being honest about my style of play. I start off every game with an Excel random number generator. It would be dumb to change that up for this game. I don't know how vigilant some of you are. It would be easy for one of you to check out some of my games. Changing my style could be cause for concern and lead to me getting killed.

Not enough had happened yet to cause me to have a strong enough lead on somebody to make a forceful vote. However, probably the scummiest thing said so far was actually made by ashersky, who my random vote is on when they asked in post 41 "should I read the bios?" Not exactly a huge lead, but reading the bios can't hurt and deliberately ignoring information, however inconsequential it may be, is a concern. So if it makes you feel better, you can move my vote on ashersky from a random vote to a real one.

Welcome, nqt. The California girls will likely show up soon I'd guess, which should be about everyone.

LOL, your site reminds me the most of my home site - you picked an official rep, then had 5 more pages of discussion about it. So, I got to know, did you ever disclose to the court, just where on the doll, the Mafia community touched you?

Hi.

One thing worth mentioning is that the seer/cop was assigned a random town peek on Night 0.

In this setup, most of the village's equity comes from keeping the seer hidden as long as possible (and then like, not lynching him when he claims).

So if you're vanilla, keep those things in mind. I trust you guys to figure out the best way to leave cover and I probably won't be discussing it anymore beyond this post.

Now that this is out of the way, I'm going back to bed. :P

I was following that game as it progressed on day 1. All that discussion struck me as a fantastic way to implement a Fear, Obfuscation, and Doubt campaign. Looking back at the winners and the discussion it would seem that was exactly what happened.

I would rather not see that repeated here and will actively argue against such talk.

This is a straight up simple game. Getting sidetracked into irrelevant crap just allows the scum to hide in the tall grass.

Sup.

Kawamii

No Lynches' entry seems confidently relaxed in a way that strikes me as kind of townish.

Being here at start of day is not a thing that is going to happen for me, I am in California and I don't wake up at five AM.

Random votes are sort of a thing done on my site. Not everyone does them, but I usually do.

I've followed all three games, though skimmed a fair bit of the third one.

While we're at it, I didn't particularly post #49 by nolemonplease. It said that this thread "would not receive 100% of [their] attention." Obviously, we all have jobs/family/hobbies/etc. so we can't be on this thread 24/7. I thought that post was unnecessary at best and enough to catch my eye.

Like the single post by ashersky, it's very little. But so early in the game, one of those two would get my vote if I had a gun to my head.

Spruce's entrance feels decently townish.

Game 3 lunched a deer? Wow.

Jrd, where I'm from we avoid useless day 1's by piling on a wagon until something interesting happens. (So vote for NL. )

Jrdrylie's entrance feels awkward. It says a lot without actually saying a lot.

NL would PROBABLY be my number three suspicion. That string of consecutive posts to begin the game was a bit odd. But what do I know, that could be his style.

1. ashersky
2. nolemonplease
3. No Lynches

I just can't think of anything to say that isn't overly cautious or boring. Let's just start this whole day over.

Hi, I'm Phoenicks. No Lynches is scum caught in my cunning trap. Who wants to defend his honor?

soah (Two Plus Two)
spruce (MindRomp)
Visorslash (TW Center)


No Lynches is not the 2+2 rep.

I don't like his post padding style but day 1 silly **** is expected.