sorry, what does Ido stand for again?

like duh obviously

k thanks

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this.

nobody said anything about violence once, or ****ing him up, and the info about family and friends I thought was said just to tell them about him being a scumbag to embarrass him, which i think is fine. Chillax...

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yes, nobody said anything about violence or ****ing him up explicitly, they just said dumb **** like this...

he later clarified he just was going to threaten him.

Cut slimerdude some slack. All he's saying that some people, even those who commit crimes or deserve to be punished, also deserve some compassion and understanding. He's not saying this Tate guy shouldn't be punished, I think he definitely should, or at least he will need to repay what he owes and work out something satisfying to the OP, which, according to slimer, he intends to do. It may very well be that he has no intentions to do anything like that, but it could be true.

Black and white: Tate comitted a crime. Seems like there is no doubt about it so far.

Not black and white: he might still be a human being deserving compassion... or maybe he isn't.

The 2+2 mob seems pretty keen on condemning people. If everyone who's done something wrong deserves to have their lives ruined, I don't understand why the government just exectute all convicts.

I have never been a mother or father, but yes, I can completely emphasize and sympathize with parents who steal or even kill to protect their child or family, or friends. It's human to care more about those dear to you, those you love.

You can pity, understand, or even respect a person for it. Should it be left unpunished? No, but those two things are not mutually exclusive.

That said, we only have slimerdude's word on it for whether he really did do it for "understandable reasons", so this is no time to simply assume he is not a scumbag, but it's not impossible or even unlikely that he never intended this to happen or that it came to this because certain things in his life brought more financial demands.

I think it's pretty clear the first thing that needs to happen is that Tate reestablishes contact with OP and make the situation 100% clear, in which case OP would probably allow some room for his repaying this debt, but this will likely not happen unless Tate acts with transparency and honesty.

Really this threatening to get the money through illegal means is really embarassing. Firstly there might not even be money for you to feasibly get back, as it may have been spent on food and paying debts. Secondly I am pretty sure theivery is less condemnable than harassing/threatening someone's life. You condemn the guy for comitting a crime, and then commit one yourself.

Brilliant. The money is rightfully yours, and in that sense, it's "within your right" (not legally, but "morally") to get it back whatever way you can.

Just don't try to claim the moral highground if you do this.

Well said, I would much rather it be resolved in a reasonable fashion then having to track him down

Josh, thanks for your post. There is no doubt that Travis has been going through some sort of hardship. I never had any reason to believe he was a bad guy in all the coaching sessions we did and all our conversations the past two years. He was sending me transfers at the beginning of the stake and we were talking all the time.

He then went a couple months not sending transfers on his winnings and being very neglecting when I tried to get a hold of him. After blocking me from skype, I texted him several times and even sent him an email warning him about this thread (the email is in the OP). One of my texts specifically said if I don't hear from him I'll consider it a "scam". He did not once reply to anything. At the same time, I have looked up his PTR and it has shown that he has been winning. I believe the time we last talked in October his FTP PTR said he was up between 4-5k. It now shows 8.5k. He is still playing/gambling with my money. What is a person in my situation to think here?

As far as his hardships go, I believe I mentioned in this thread that if he just contacted me (i.e replied to one of my many texts or email) and told me he is going through a very difficult financial time and he was forced into a situation to cash out the stake money but that he still intended on paying me back I would have understood. I mean, if he consistently stayed in contact with me with updates on his situation and gave me reassurance that he wasn't scamming me he would have lost 0% credibility with me!

@Slimerdude: I don't agree w/ the violent suggestions in this thread...for the record. But coming on here and acting as a character witness for Travis, when he STILL hasn't spoken to cpar1, is futile and ridiculous. Travis has literally hid from him for however long now. Maybe Travis is a good guy on a lot of aspects of his life, but those weren't reflected or mimicked in this months-long scenario, so you'll get no sympathy for him, at least in that regard, in this thread. He has problems, you say? Guess what, homeboy...we all do. But the better lot of us approach them as head-on as possible and at least w/ some shred of honesty. My point is, your words are like a masturbatorial political debate...empty. Some sort of action by Travis that doesn't include his tail being stuck between his legs is the only thing that could potentially help the situation. And after months of ducking and dodging, I'm guessing this is unlikely.

ahahahah, wow slimerdude, just wow.

I am so hurt by your words that, alas, I am speechless. Please, do tell me how to better live my life that way I may one day too live such an amazing life as your own. I am also speechless at the fact that you have chosen me, probably the youngest person in this thread to pick on. Do you feel the need to raise your own self worth by stating opinions and rash psycho-analysis in order to lower my own self worth?

I am just confused at by where you get your info of where 1)I don't play poker online, 2) I'm 21, 3) Travis' life is so much harder than my own, 4) that I am wasting my whole life, wondering about this thread, about Travis Tate, et al.

Please, Joshua, please tell me how to better myself and become more like you because, obviously you are in such a higher place than I that I am merely kissing your souls.

and please, if you wish to talk further in person, feel free to contact me on here through pm or through facebook. I am more than willing to oblige you with any request to meet up and talk through this. Since you know so much about me, finding me won't be that hard.

Not that hard, I searched you up on facebook sais you graduated in 07 and now studying at the Tennesee technological university

this guy is scum, so what if he has a kid whos sick, so what if hes going through a hard time, so what if he aint got no money, hes a fu.c.king parasite, lowest of the low, who gets some to trust them and then ****s them over, just because cpar happens to have that amount of money to lend means he should feel sympathy for some who stole his money just because he got a sick kid,????
what if was the other way round and cpar1 had the sick child and got scammed 5k you would all be feeling very different towards this travis tate scum.... you would all want to kick his head in,
this guy should man the **** up come clean on this site and start paying back what he owes.
makes my ffffin blood boil!

Slimerdude I know you can't pm so can you add me to facebook? my name is cyrus partow. Thanks.

also its not like its 500 dollars it 5 grand!!! that is a lot of money, mayby not in terms of a poker bankroll, but in terms of that against the average annual wage! its a lot of money... this must be stressed

I just dont understand how even after this thread must have been brought to his attention, he still has not tried to work out a payment plan. I can only hope that will end up happening.

i know, u would of thought after this thread, if he had the slight bit of decency he would try to sort it out, even if it was $200 a month im sure cpar (all being not entirely happy about it) would take it as in the end he will get paid.

You need to shut up. Seriously. After reading this entire thread, I'm not sure whether to laugh or want to punch you in the face. Travis took $5,000 off the guy and then ran. To make matters worse, after a long-term friendship with Travis (and purchasing his poker funds for 80% of the total, cash in hand over a couple of years), he asked me over a month ago to buy $2,100. I gave him $1,700 in Jamestown, in one hundred dollar bills.

I only hear from every few days, and this is after I attempt to contact him. The guy has made no effort to pay me back, instead telling me he is going to "get a job"....The fact of the matter is, I offered Travis a job for $15/hour to reduce some of the debt he had with me. He told me no. It wasn't "warm enough"....

So Travis Tate is still a scam artist as far as I'm concerned. If he has scammed anyone else, I'll be happy to give you his phone number and personal contact information.

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Now **** just got real. ^^^

And for the record, I'm using my full name here. I have nothing to hide. Travis knows it, I know it. He's too busy telling me I "can't prove anything".

Interesting. How did u come across this thread Morgan? I have his phone number but not his home address.