Hey guys,

This is a preview video from HUSNG.com on an upcoming series Skates and Barewire are releasing titled: From Heads Up Cash to Heads Up SNG.

The video is a 15 minute introduction to some of the concepts covered in the series. Some misconceptions and myths are discussed, as well as some similarities and differences between heads up sit and go poker and heads up cash poker.

Barewire will have no problem answering any questions about the video he and Skates made, or the upcoming series.

Thanks.

For anyone who isn't familiar, skates is awesome at poker. Like really ****ing good. Should be a good series, hope you guys like the intro!

Barwire can you tell me what you play ? and what stakes ?

So you play Cash HU and HUSNG?

I only play cash HU whats harder in your opinion ?

Is there alot of money to be made in HUSNG?

Cheers,

I've been mixing cash and sngs for a while now, generally I'll sit 2/4-5/10 cash and if I don't get action immediately I'll join 200-500 deep stack sngs, sometimes 200-300 reg speeds or 320-640 4mans.

Cash is definitely "easier" by nature of being able to game select at your own discretion. In husngs you join a game and someone sits with you, and you have to play him for at least one game. If you're not a good reg at your limits, other regs are free to sit with you as much as you please and it forces you to improve your game. That said, you'll get more games because of this, and a lot of regs will stop sitting you once you prove that you're better than the average moron. You'll improve a lot by playing the regs when you first join a limit and it can help improve your cash play as well.

Your last question is kinda tough, it depends what you're looking for and what limits you play. There is a lot of money at the mid-high stakes games in my opinion because there are a lot of regulars who are willing to battle, and they aren't playing on an incredibly high level. I think that there are a handful of husng regulars that play over their head; there's a lot of variance in shallow structures and its very easy to overestimate yourself. I should ammend this by saying that I've never had a ton of success battling said regulars, but I'm still very convinced that I have a sizable edge on those who i chose to play a lot with. I'd like to think I'm not one of the regulars who's overestimating himself

In general the low-mid stakes games are populated with enough action to get good volume, so it's less boring than hu cash at some times. You're going to want to learn the fast structures if you want good games though, because the slow structures like deepstacks and regular speeds have long waiting lines and not many fish.

Have never really thought about HUSNG only played a bit too build my roll for cash.

Thanks for the info.

Interesting, thanks!

Nice video,
Next time please record it in fullscreen

Yea might be a good idea to invest in husng some. Atm im playing cod cuz nobody plays at these times.

Would you say that lower level HUSNGs (2-20) are easier to beat than say, 50 NLHU, but that HUSNGS increase in difficulty at a faster rate as you move up than NLHU? Also, what do you figure a reasonable range for ROI at the mid-high stakes games to be? Although I can see how they could be profitable, I'm not sure they could have a high enough hourly to be worth playing simultaneously with HU cash. Looking forward to learning more about the series though!

Sorry about that, I thought they were all in full screen and I'm pretty sure the others in the series will be.

I think that it's hard to say any level of HUSNG is "easier" than cash, simply because in cash you're never forced to play a reg. If you mean the level of difficulty playing everyone at 50nl cash versus playing everyone at micro stakes sngs, the sngs are probably easier.

It's hard to say exactly how skill sets differ at the higher stakes, but I'd go so far as to say that the limits I'm playing now are somewhat similar in skill across the regulars. The $300-500 sng regs are probably about as skilled as the 2/4-3/6 regs who choose to play other regs. That's honestly a weird comparison to make though, because those same 2/4-3/6 regs would fail miserably in a $300 turbo sng, and the $500 sng regs would probably get crushed at 100bb against a 3/6 reg.

ROIs in the mid-high games depend a lot on structure, and a bit on your game selection. Generally ROIs increase as structure slows down, something like 1-2% for super turbo, 3-5% for turbo, 8-12% for reg speed and 15-20% for deepstack are all very attainable numbers. That said, average game length also increases steadily, something like 4min, 7min, 12min and 20min respectively is probably accurate for the FTP structures. Some very good players get 3%+ at super turbo and 8% at turbo, but I wouldn't be shocked if that was positive variance even over large samples.

sidenote: stars turbos are more comparable to ftp reg speeds, because they start at 75bb whereas ftp turbos start at 50bb.

Yeah, that makes sense. What do you think is the better background for HUSNGS between heads up cash and 9 handed SNGs?

Someone with a background in heads up cash will have a much much easier time converting to husngs than someone from any other background really. The difference between heads up format and 6 or 9 handed format is much larger than the difference between short and deep stacks.

why do a hucash player wanna move to husngs? when it really should be the other way around?

from the other thread

HI..First let me say great post!

So we are talking abit about 2-4 -5/10 cash vs hu sng. Would that be 300-500 hu sng's?

I been wondering af few days if hu is even as profitable as 6 max cash or sng 6/9 mans?

Mostly because of the volume you are mentioning. How many hands will you be able to put in at cash midstakes hu a month? lets say you play on two sites.

And the same question too hu sng*s

Are there any fish playing 5/-10 and 500 hu sng? seems so wild that people risk that amount of money when they could get same fun at nl 100 or so.

This is getting long !

btw..what too do when sitting at waiting at 2-4 etc all day? hehe