Ideal way to combat someone who sits and comes in calling 50% and 3 betting 50% and cbetting 80% of time. Also raises your limp 80%.

Does this just turn into a high variance game and you have to 4 bet more? Or even bluff raise or float flops alot or what? I've been taking the passive route and opening less and limping more and even folding pre. I however feel like I'm getting run over and my redline shows it. I haven't seemed to fair very well.

nice troll. 40bb/100 was it?

edit: my trolldar is on high alert but if you are genuinely interested in discussing this topic, which in its particulars can be quite complex, pm me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiPV5GQVTt8

Against this villain type I will start to open fold off suit, no high card, unpaired, hands that aren't connected. Then I will rarely fold a hand I did open to a 3 bet. Instead I will start 4 betting a super polarized range of hands that will be easy to 4 bet-fold and stuff that i'll 4 bet-get it in w/. And I will flat call about the middle 3rd of my opening range (stuff it would suck to 4 bet-fold but doesn't want to get it in).

If he is c-betting 80% then we prob want to start floating and/or check-raising more than often. Against an 80% c-bet with such a wide pre-flop range to begin with we will have to continue in some way on a lot of flops. We need to know more about his post flop tendencies to know if we ought to be doing a lot of small bluff raises and small (and often thin) value raises on the flop or if it is better to float more with stuff like JsTs on 9s4c3d and just call the flop with stuff like 44 on 943r.

If villain will barrel off light and even triple barrel bluff then we want to call down more with value hands from TP to sets+ and we want to make small check raise bluffs on the flop with high equity air and big draws. (of course this is exploitive/exploitable).

Summary; polarize your agro ranges preflop and probably post flop against this guy and get stationy with your mediocre stuff before the flop and maybe after, depending on his disposition.

why would you ever want to 4bet vs described opponent? ur printing money flatting his 3bets, its unlikely that his strategy vs 4bet is even worse

Seems pretty bad.

Yeah, given the 80% c-bet stat this is probably true.
I think I do have a tendency to lump all mega four betters into the same category and ought to do a better job of taking the entire picture in before deciding on a counter strategy

Against a villain who 3 bets 50%, I actually don't think this is bad. That is, assuming we have already tightened our open betting range to begin with.

I could be wrong about this and would love to hear the counter-arguments. But;

I think the range I open with (which already doesn't have anything non-connected/off suit/ unpaired/ no high card value) should all be strong enough to either flat call for value in position, 4 bet for value and be willing to get it in, or 4 bet bluff; assuming villain is actually 3 betting a range of 50%.

What does everyone else think about this?

(Let's just take the 80% c-bet stat out of the equation for a moment)

You are correct. Raise/folding against 50% 3-bettors who VPIP 100% sucks balls, lol.