opening this thread in an attempt to bring attention to and hopefully make changes happen to 2/4-5/10 NLHU lobby. hoping to get stars attention basically.

PLOHU lobby has table cap from 2/4-50/100 while NLHU only has from 10/20-50/100. this makes no sense from my pov and i know many others feel the same. table cap appears to be a huge success on stars at the stakes/games it has been implemented and i see no reason this wouldn't be the same for 2/4-5/10 NL.

something like this would probably be about right:

30 tables 5/10
40 tables 3/6
50 tables 2/4

- there will be more reg matches (simply battling to get a table for bumhunting for alot of people). more matches = more rake $$ for stars and more action in the lobby to make this game live on

- it is simply unfair that PLO regs can all get a NL table to bumhunt 2/4-5/10 with no issue, whereas NL regs have to work to get good at PLO in order to be able to battle in attempt to get tables

as for arguments this is what comes to mind right now, and the first one is would obviously be the absolute main reason for implementing this. if anyone else have arguments please post in here, be it in favor of or against.

big +1 here (as most active 2+2 members will already know from the other threat)

I personally think that they could/should even make it the same amount of tables as in plo (20, 25 and 30 instead of 30, 40 and 50 as suggested by kris), but that might just be me seeing a personal advantage in a harder form of KOTH and my opinion on what's best for the entire community might be influenced by that.

+1

i also think it should be the same amt of tables per stake as plo (20,25,30?). tbf tho i dont play these games (and won't in the future) but i agree that it should be KOTH at those stakes, in fact there's MORE reason to do it at NL than PLO [at equal stakes].

imo the likely reason they're not the same is probably just oversight. it's not a hard thing to change/tweak iirc from when it was first being implemented/adjusted at high stakes.

PokerstarsNick [OP of thread for HS koth changes] hasn't been active on 2p2 in a year. i suggest someone find out who from PS would be in charge of such a change and direct them here. i suspect there will be pretty overwhelming support for a change, but we'll see.

+1

I am in favour of this ****

but how you going to bumhunt if youll have to battle tough regs?

this thread is not about me, do not derail please.

i suggested 50/40/30 format because nl pool is quite abit larger than plo, but i certainly support stricter table caps.

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+1 to what's being discussed, it's not entirely in my interests, but the suggestions seem fair.

+1

Has someone pmed pokerstars nick about this thread?

Definitely agree with this. I also think 50 tables is too much for 2/4. I understand that the NLHE player pool is bigger than PLO, but at any given time there are only like 10-15 guys sitting 2/4 that would even consider playing another reg. The rest are there purely for bumhunting. It's not like capping the tables at 50 would result in more action - you would just have a bunch of guys that don't play HU and have no intention of ever playing regs just not bothering to sit the tables in the first place. The cap would have to be significantly lower to generate any extra action, although any cap at all would be a move in the right direction.

very good points ron

i will email stars and see if they can get someone into this thread soon

A cap makes sense but the hard part is finding the right balance.

If you make the table cap too low it will mean the hourly earnt from them tables incentivizes all the 10k regs to just sit 400-10k like muumipoiss already does.

One solution to this could be to make it so you can only sit 2 or 3 stake levels. That way people have to choose between 10k 5k 2k or like 400 600 1000 etc.

Yeah the ipoker system is pretty decent, except the part when u sit someone they always get the btn.

good points. i quite like the idea of 3 stake levels max.

These numbers would just get rid of the MTT bumhunters, but considering how low the fish action is these days, it wouldn't do much for the games.
They have to be much lower:

I would suggest 25 tables for 5/10-3/6

BUT only with a few exceptions:
-implement the add table feature
- cap the empty tables to 3 ( MSNL players don't have to battle HS players for a 3/6 or 2/4 table)

This would create a clear hierarchy at MNSL, encourage regs to battle more and make it easier for them to move up, which in the end would benefit the HS games too.

big +1

+1

this is terrible for every lowstakes player who battles low but isn't good enough to battle solid players higher. While some 2+2 midstakes players may like this cuz it removes some of the *bums* that get fish action, its bad for the other 60%+ of players. (not sure how many of these guys are active on 2+2).

a big -1 to this idea from every lowstakes player who wants potential action at 2/4 or 3/6 but isn't good enough to fight the best regulars for it. There is already a KOTH system for bot tables anyway. If u whine about too many tables, fight muumi fastcars krab kareem whoever else for bot and you'll get action. plus there is always zoom...

A big -1 to this idea from every fish, i mean why should fish constantly play the best possible 20 players at each stake anyway with virtually no chance of winning vs muumi and krab at 2/4 instead of playing more mediocre players sometimes to give them winning sessions and keep money moving around.

Your arguments doesn't make sense Sir, please read the other responses and suggestions.

Nice trolling tho

Edit: My response was maybe a bit too polemic, since I hope some stars reps are reading here, I'll try to give you some arguments.

How about instead of whining you're beeing cut in your action, you try to get better, build a BR and challenge these players?

Most of MSNL players also want a 25/50 table and fish action, but they're not getting it, because they're not good enough.

If we can get the table cap to 25-30 tables there should be enough room for every aspiring low stakes player to move up by challenging the bottom half of players and avoiding the top.

Regarding the fish, imo that should be the last of our concerns, because quite frankly, there isn't much fish left to be concerned about.
I'm getting fish action maybe once or twice a month at these stakes, we should rather focus to create a healthy HU enviroment with fair chances for anyone to move up, that's the only way the game can survive in the long run (if we're lucky).

your arguments as well as the other regs in here are terrible for everyone but yourselves..

me whining? i think things are fine the way they are. how about instead of you whining that other 'bumhunters' are getting 'your' fish action, you battle muumi krab and fastcarss for the bot tables everyday and get the fish action yourself. If action is what you are looking for plenty of these players will give u action everyday you just refuse to play them.

the fish should be of primary concern because they are the ones redepositing and bringing money into the system for you and your buddies to buy things.

The problem with hucash is that it requires the most skill in order to be profitable out of all formats as rake is very high, and the lowest stakes start at 50nl.

Arguing on behalf of ppl who start out in hucash, u should be mainly asking stars to lower rake and introduce lower levels for hucash play tbh. Changing the lobby system is a good thing that encourages action. Imo someone who ONLY open sits and never even tries to sit others in the lobby is not good for the games in any sense. If you find another way then tell me- but capping table no. is the best way to stop this sort of leaching of the poker economy (and at low stakes- unfortunately this is what most ppl are doing).

Who is this? And what bot tables?

Do you even read what other people are writing?
I'm not whining that other players are getting my fish action, because there is not much fish action to complain about!

By capping both the number of tables and the empty tables you can sit, you getting a quite fair system.
It's getting rid of the HS Players and the pure bumhunters and is focusing solely on the players that are actually playing these stakes.
As a player that is apparently battling at low stakes, you should be happy about these changes, because it will be much easier for you to move up.

+1
Wtf are bot tables?

I think he means bottom tables

Neither was i whining or trolling chasern but you suggested I was doing both. I am entitled to my opinion about the issue and if you don't agree thats fine as I am a midstakes player as well and my opinion on the issue is as valid as yours. I understand the arguments here and why you *2+2 semi-battling regs* want to change things to better yourselves, but I believe over half of all midstakes players as well as every low stakes/midstakes player and probably most highstakes/midstakes players prefer things the way they are and would -1 this idea.