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Am I leveling here too much? KQ on K55 NL 50 Am I leveling here too much? KQ on K55 NL 50

07-05-2010 , 09:33 AM
Villain 21/16 over 76 hands. Not enough history for extensive reads.
only few hands where play went beyond cbet lvl (3/4fwiw).

In one hand he isoed UTG (19/10 or smthng) limp with QQ in MP and called UTGs big limpreraise, on J97twotone he shoved over UTG's cbet.

In another he called TAG UTG open and 1/2 pot fish call with KQ in BB and donked 3/4th pot on dry Q high board.

Regrettably no good reads in other words, but he hasn't made any obvious mistakes nor been agressive over multiple streets.

Most hands are from previous session, and I can't remember my image then. Prob rather aggro, I bluff a lot. Too much. c/r plenty of flops if I cal from the blinds.

This table has been running for 25 or so hands and my stats are 46/40 or so. Have been opening prettty much every CO and BTN, no moves pulled yet though. Only a few bb have changed hands.


Anyway I raise this flop becuse I rep close to nothing and I hope he can realise that and try to take it away from me. My plan was to get it in if he 3 bet the flop and c/c the turn if he floats the raise. Is this FPS?



Party Poker $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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BB: $50.00
UTG: $51.87
CO: $52.00
BTN: $53.75
Hero (SB): $51.12

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with K Q
2 folds, BTN raises to $2, Hero calls $1.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($4.50) 5 K 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.50, [color=red]Hero raises to $6.50
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07-05-2010 , 10:35 AM
Nah I like it. You rep a lot of crap like mid PPs that are confused (a lot of people take this line). Chances are he'll just fold, but there's some chance you'll actually instill FPS in him and he'll either float or 3b.

If he floats, I check the turn and go into induce mode.

If he 3bs, I'm OK with getting it in, tho you might want to consider a call, c/rai on turn.
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07-05-2010 , 04:44 PM
Shameless bump
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07-05-2010 , 05:31 PM
first was the BB a fish/nit/bad TAG because if theres a good TAG I 3bet here pre because you either get squeezed or OOP against 2 TAGs on the flop!

I think your move or just calling it down are both good moves

if he folds you can start calling more in the blinds vs him and go CRbluf him more of dry boards
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07-05-2010 , 05:40 PM
BB is someone with Taggish stats over 30 hands, hasn't 3 bet yet. This is a spot I often 3 bet with KQo but flat with KQs. Maybe stupid, but...
give me a reason why.
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07-05-2010 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by lumileijona
BB is someone with Taggish stats over 30 hands, hasn't 3 bet yet. This is a spot I often 3 bet with KQo but flat with KQs. Maybe stupid, but...
give me a reason why.
Because the SPR of a single raised pot is better for suited hands, while the offsuit version is played for pair value which is better at a lower SPR which 3 betting achieves.

About the hand, I didn't read all the notes of OP but it comes down to this....

If you have seen him play a hand in a way that you can tell he's not hand reading/ not value betting well

-Or-

If you don't have that information yet then, I think c/c will be more optimal because a level one thinker will just muck his air.
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07-05-2010 , 05:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lumileijona
BB is someone with Taggish stats over 30 hands, hasn't 3 bet yet. This is a spot I often 3 bet with KQo but flat with KQs. Maybe stupid, but...
give me a reason why.
because youre always going to lose money if youre going to go 3way postflop. But calling is fine too because KQs is such a strong hand
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07-05-2010 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by porkeatsmatt
because youre always going to lose money if youre going to go 3way postflop. But calling is fine too because KQs is such a strong hand
I'm confused, second statement kinda makes sense but lacks logical backing/reasons.
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07-05-2010 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by High_SocietyA9
Because the SPR of a single raised pot is better for suited hands, while the offsuit version is played for pair value which is better at a lower SPR which 3 betting achieves.

About the hand, I didn't read all the notes of OP but it comes down to this....

If you have seen him play a hand in a way that you can tell he's not hand reading/ not value betting well

-Or-

If you don't have that information yet then, I think c/c will be more optimal because a level one thinker will just muck his air.
But you are telling me why to play the way I do: eg as a default 3 bet KQo OOP v loose BTN and call KQs. I asked for reasons why my default would be wrong

And v lvl 1 thinker, do you think they barrel their air here very often (allowing us to make more money if we flat)
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07-05-2010 , 05:53 PM
its sort of a weird spot because some people will just click fold without a high level of absolute hand strength, where as some will snap min 3bet the flop.

however given your reads it is prob good.


people's barreling frequency SHOULD depend on your calling frequency/folding on later streets.

if your playing 46% of hands (albeit only 6% calling) he may think your range is wide enough to barrel you off A high/whatever

however again some people just see that you c/c a dry board and assume you have some showdown value and are unliekly to fold so wil ljust give up
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07-05-2010 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by lumileijona
But you are telling me why to play the way I do: eg as a default 3 bet KQo OOP v loose BTN and call KQs. I asked for reasons why my default would be wrong

And v lvl 1 thinker, do you think they barrel their air here very often (allowing us to make more money if we flat)
I don't think he barrels that often as a bluff, but I think we can think more value from 66-QQ but calling flop and leading turn.

To make it simple, I think we calls more incorrectly with 66-QQ on the turn more than to a flop c/r
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07-05-2010 , 06:03 PM
Do you think villain realizes that raising on this board is bad and therefore will put you on a bluff and have the balls to re-bluff you?
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07-05-2010 , 06:31 PM
depends on what level villain is at. without reads i just check/call and get him to barrel me off 88

against like a 1.5 guy which looks like this guy is i think c/r is good here. c/r reps no showdown value
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07-05-2010 , 06:41 PM
You don't have reads that he is on that level, so imo it's FPS.

c/c, c/c or c/c donk is better. He'll peel the turn for sure with a pp, unless an A comes out.
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