Opponent is OK, not overly aggressive, not a maniac. He 3b around 15% at most, and I folded to all 3B up to this point.

Seat 9: BB (71.37 in chips) - Big Blind
Seat 8: Hero (100.72 in chips) - The button
Hero: posts small blind 0.25
slwinlwshu: posts big blind 0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to stoic_one [Qd Ac]
Hero: raises 1.25 to 1.50
BB: raises 4.50 to 5.00
Hero: calls 3.50
(called pre out of respect for 3b, IP, and puts me in top of my calling range)

*** FLOP *** [6s 10c 6d]
BB: bets 6.00
Hero: calls 6.00
(this is very standard to 3B and lead flop OOP IMO (esp this kind of flop??) so AQ is good here a lot??)

*** TURN *** [6s 10c 6d][Qh]
BB: bets 11.00
Hero: calls 11.00
(standard call, however now should be a bit more concerned about this bet right? QQ+ just became a much higher possibility. I'm only really beating AK, A10, KQ, JQ...the only hands I beat that might bet this turn like this?)

*** RIVER *** [6s 10c 6d Qh][Jh]
BB: bets 32.25
Hero: ??
(now AK is there, 1010+ all has me crushed).

Is this a clear fold from a range vs. range perspective?

No, you have to call.

Call is your best friend

Any logic there?

I feel like his range narrows significantly after the turn bet, then even more by the river and bet. So he either 1) has what he's representing, or 2) is expecting me to understand AK is more in his range than mine, and that I'll fold because of this. But if he can think like this, wouldn't he also know my 3b calling range should hit the board run out fairly strong? (invalidating argument 2 for calling)?

i fold.

calling is even more -ev as the board is completly rainbow.

sometimes you have to fold the top of your range if the board develops in a way that completes to many hands of the aggressor.

villian shouldnt valuebet KQ on the river, but he might not know that.

edit:
call him only if you can beat AA i know that will happen just very rarly, but still: you folded to all of his 3-bets and the first pot you play he is 3-barreling you? i dont think that is a good spot to run a huge bluff and you said he isnt that aggressive

Folding.

Yes, that river is horrendous for your range-vs.-range equity, even taking all of your slowplayed 6x/boats into account. (It's even worse for you if you're folding things like 96s pre.) No need to make "we are in the top x% of our range, so calling is mandatory" decisions in such spots (it's not GTO).

Would call most other rivers.

You beat a lot more than that: KJs and some middling SCs, just to name a few combos.

Turn call is mandatory.

River card is obviously brutal and folding is likely fine.

Thanks for feedback guys. The hand was extra aggravating when he showed up with 6h8h. Had it been AK would have been an easy lesson... "let range vs. range logic prevail and fold" but as happens so often in poker, the truth was unexpected and made the right path less clear.

This has happened many times for me. I feel like I put myself in a good position (in this case calling a 3b IP with a strong hand against an opponent I think there is a good chance may spew). The board runs out in a way that range vs. range logic dictates a fold (the gut feeling persists that he doesn't have what I think he's repping). Then he makes a large river bet, and I make a marginal call....and aha! he doesn't have AK (I was right, but still lose a BI).

I guess the lesson is, just follow range vs. range logic because even when it's not exactly right (he didn't have top of his range), at this level, if the betting pattern is consistent with the perceived range it's likely not a well choreographed bluff.

id fold on this river and 1 or 2 others. ur gonna run into 6x some, the J give lots of his good semi bluffs a pair that checks and gives 2 other likely semi bluffs--89/AK--a straight, QJ better 2p, KQ prob checks now. its sort of hard to imagine him bluffing here enough if hes not firing off 73cc. how likely do u think it is that hes bluffing enough? too much? too little? too much is the lowest probability imo.

in situations like this it is annoying that u have a good top pair--that turned, but its just really not that great range-range like u said. reassure yourself by thinking of all the other river cards that could have come that you would call on--"its ok, this river sucks, but ill get to call him here on 85% of rivers."

oh in the future please use a hand converter so its easier for us to read, and also put the stake at which the hand was played at in the title of the thread.

Std spot and always gross to endure, i am probably calling way to often here in contempt/spite

Good points. My kneejerk reaction was call readless but those arguments seal the fold verdict.


That's really great advice and one of the harder things to internalize imo as you learn the game.