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river raise fold ok with 2nd nuts?!?! river raise fold ok with 2nd nuts?!?!

10-01-2014 , 11:21 AM
villain defending around 20% and 3bt 18%

fold to flop <50%



    Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #31192641

    BB: $50 (100 bb)
    Hero (SB): $50 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with Q 4
    Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1

    Flop: ($3) 3 K 7 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($3) 2 (2 players)
    BB bets $2, Hero calls $2

    River: ($7) 8 (2 players)
    BB bets $4.50, Hero raises to $10, BB raises to $24.50, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $27 pot ($0.50 rake)
    Final Board: 3 K 7 2 8
    BB mucked and won $26.50 ($13 net)
    Hero mucked Q 4 and lost (-$13.50 net)



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    thoughts on entire line?

    cheers
    Pete
    river raise fold ok with 2nd nuts?!?! Quote
    10-01-2014 , 02:17 PM
    bet flop, flat river.
    river raise fold ok with 2nd nuts?!?! Quote
    10-01-2014 , 03:39 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by fityfmi
    bet flop, flat river.
    whats your reasoning behind this please?
    river raise fold ok with 2nd nuts?!?! Quote
    10-01-2014 , 04:23 PM
    Min raise pre, it's not close vs this guy.

    I bet flop, we have better 2ndfd's to check back, this one has little showdown value particularly given his defending strat, this flop is especially weak for him, given his incredible pf fold tendencies the kicker probably doesn't block any of his calling range but it still might.

    River raise is thin but probably right given NL50 population. If we are raising it seems like just calling with the nuts is fine.
    river raise fold ok with 2nd nuts?!?! Quote
    10-02-2014 , 06:47 AM
    withraw bankroll, never play poker again.
    river raise fold ok with 2nd nuts?!?! Quote
    10-02-2014 , 02:16 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mongoloid
    withraw bankroll, never play poker again.
    lol'd
    river raise fold ok with 2nd nuts?!?! Quote
    10-03-2014 , 05:47 PM
    Bet flop for sure;
    we can fold out better by river very often and we don't hate it when worse hands fold as they still have equity vs our draw. We can even be value betting against some of villains range (worse FDs obv) we are in position w the lead and flop good equity, unless there's a very specific reason not to we should cbet in these situations.

    I don't really know how much it means but betting flop will make the rest of the hand easier to play also

    The riv, especially as played, really does seem like a tough tough spot.

    I bet all our options are gonna be pretty close in value.
    Raise-folding seems awkward but prolly ok given population tendencies at this stake, raise-call would be good vs a lot of opponents (thin value betting, fancy bluff making, hand over valuing, range merging types.
    And flatting river as played could be ok as well IMO.
    Trivial c bet on flop
    Tough riv spit
    river raise fold ok with 2nd nuts?!?! Quote
    10-09-2014 , 05:11 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Donovan
    Bet flop for sure;
    we can fold out better by river very often and we don't hate it when worse hands fold as they still have equity vs our draw. We can even be value betting against some of villains range (worse FDs obv) we are in position w the lead and flop good equity, unless there's a very specific reason not to we should cbet in these situations.

    I don't really know how much it means but betting flop will make the rest of the hand easier to play also

    The riv, especially as played, really does seem like a tough tough spot.

    I bet all our options are gonna be pretty close in value.
    Raise-folding seems awkward but prolly ok given population tendencies at this stake, raise-call would be good vs a lot of opponents (thin value betting, fancy bluff making, hand over valuing, range merging types.
    And flatting river as played could be ok as well IMO.
    Trivial c bet on flop
    Tough riv spit
    Cheers Donovan great response. Much appreciated
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