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08-26-2009 , 07:01 AM
I don't really know what to do there All_or_Nothing, but I have a few questions.

If you're c/r'ing a lot of flops, why don't you c/r here since you actually have a hand for once? Is it just too dry of a flop to get any action from worse often enough?

How often do you expect to be good here when he double barrels, and does the fact that there's not a lot of river cards that you like to see here make c/c'ing the turn bad?

It almost seems like we're trapped here, but is c/c'ing turn and river decent here, but against a decently wide range, we still have really good equity vs. even river cards we hate (A,K,J,T,9) (J and T are the worst), and we can c/c a lot of rivers because we either have the best hand enough or villain is probably 3barreling a river scare card. We just have to know how frequently he's double barreling here because we can't be sure he'll double barrel too often with those hands we beat.
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08-26-2009 , 08:50 AM
Well it might be kinda close coz we're 30bb deep? (i haven't checked again). But basically, he wouldn't c-bet these kinda boards unless he connected in some sort of way. The fact that i flatted this time, should probs be a little worrying for him, and the turn card isn't a great card to DB here for him, and i'm 99% sure he knows that. So unless i have a read that he'll DB with air here (which i think is a long-shot), i don't think i can stack off. It sounds really weak tbh, coz we have a nice hand, but we have to make our decision on the turn i tihnk. I don't think we can call the turn and fold any rivers. I mean he def has some hands we beat in his range, like lower 8s but we chop on A/K river as well which sucks, i know that happens a small % but w/e. And i think his value range here has us crushed. I also don't expect him to think we stack off light here, so it's an ugly spot

I don't really like c/r the flop either considering i think he's connected with this board. meh Def interested on some thoughts on this line actually, considering dynamics, reads and how short we are...
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08-26-2009 , 09:11 AM
Unknown villain.Pre is a bit loose,I guess,but how's the line otherwise?

Poker Stars $22+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players
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BB: t2200 M = 73.33
Hero (BTN/SB): t800 M = 26.67

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with 6 T
Hero raises to t60, BB calls t40

Flop: (t120) 7 3 T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t80, BB raises to t180, Hero calls t100

Turn: (t480) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (t480) 2 (2 players)
BB bets t400,
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08-26-2009 , 09:57 AM
AoN: C/R flop would be bad against this villain as the range he's willing to get it in with has you not in good shape at all. Turn looks like a fold. You say that he knows what boards to bet, which cards to barrel and that he doesn't get stacked light. So he's not going to go broke with 89-8J/ 66-77. He's also checking back 66/77 probably. With him betting on the turn, looks like we're not even ahead so calling turn to call/fold river is kinda bad. Meh it's nitty, but i fold.

Street: Call river. I think you'll see a ton of missed draws here.
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08-26-2009 , 10:10 AM
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AoN: C/R flop would be bad against this villain as the range he's willing to get it in with has you not in good shape at all. Turn looks like a fold. You say that he knows what boards to bet, which cards to barrel and that he doesn't get stacked light. So he's not going to go broke with 89-8J/ 66-77. He's also checking back 66/77 probably. With him betting on the turn, looks like we're not even ahead so calling turn to call/fold river is kinda bad. Meh it's nitty, but i fold.
Yeah pretty much what i thought tbh. The fact that the biggest station on ftp wants to fold here, makes me more confident about just tossing this one into the muck. :P
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08-26-2009 , 10:22 AM
villain is a good reg,
just wanna check that turn and river are standard vbets
and can anyone fold the river


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BB: t1740 M = 58
Hero (BTN/SB): t1260 M = 42

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with J A
Hero raises to t60, BB raises to t150, Hero calls t90

Flop: (t300) J K 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (t300) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t150, BB calls t150

River: (t600) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t450, BB raises to t1000,
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08-26-2009 , 01:52 PM
Edit: nevermind
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08-26-2009 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by All_or_Nothing
Full Tilt Poker, $100 + $5 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 15/30 Blinds, 2 Players
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SB: 1,835
Hero (BB): 1,165

Pre-Flop: (45) 8 Q dealt to Hero (BB)
SB raises to 90, Hero calls 60

Flop: (180) 8 5 4 (2 Players)
Hero checks, SB bets 120, Hero calls 120

Turn: (420) 5 (2 Players)
Hero checks, SB bets 270

Villain - He is a winning player but his graph is inconsistent. He plays a ton of 9-mans etc though. Despite his stats, he was one of the best players i've ever played at $100 level.

IP - He'd open like 70% on the button. He was c-betting a lot, but checking back boards that obv didn't help him. He was a good hand reader, and also kept his checking back range strong a few times. I don't have much reads on turn cards as the game had aggressive dynamics and i was c/r a lot of flops etc. I expect him to know that this isn't like a good card to DB, so what we doing?

Probs std but just a quick check-up :P

edit - scratch that, i know the answer lolz
if he allways has Q8 beat here he super exploitable

i dont think i fold and also do nt understand how its bad to call and fold not saying i would in this spot
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08-27-2009 , 06:06 AM
Poker Stars $110+$5 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 253696
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BTN/SB: t895 M = 19.89
Hero (BB): t2105 M = 46.78

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BB with T A
BTN/SB raises to t895 all in, 1 fold

Before this hand i got a runner two pair where he checks down A/10 on 2 10 Q 5 K. I think it tilted him, does that make this a call? He was really really bad, so i thought it wasn't worth it.
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08-27-2009 , 07:28 AM
flat or shove??
villain is a huge winning player at the $5's (20% roi over big sample) but losses when he moves up
he hasnt c/r me so far but seems kinda spewy, bout 20 hands in


Poker Stars $55.00+$2.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): t1560 M = 52
BB: t1440 M = 48

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with 6 K
Hero raises to t40, BB calls t20

Flop: (t80) 2 6 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t60, BB raises to t220, Hero calls t160

Turn: (t520) 3 (2 players)
BB bets t360, [color=red]

*if i call there is about 800 behind with 1200 in pot

Last edited by rconnolly89; 08-27-2009 at 07:30 AM. Reason: save u the maths
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08-27-2009 , 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by rconnolly89
flat or shove??
villain is a huge winning player at the $5's (20% roi over big sample) but losses when he moves up
he hasnt c/r me so far but seems kinda spewy, bout 20 hands in


Poker Stars $55.00+$2.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): t1560 M = 52
BB: t1440 M = 48

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with 6 K
Hero raises to t40, BB calls t20

Flop: (t80) 2 6 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t60, BB raises to t220, Hero calls t160

Turn: (t520) 3 (2 players)
BB bets t360, [color=red]

*if i call there is about 800 behind with 1200 in pot
Why you think he's spewy? I think i fold.
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08-27-2009 , 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by NUXX
Why you think he's spewy? I think i fold.
villain lol?

there was nothing really to back it up, he played pretty tight pre, but just his bet sizing and the speed of his bets in 2 other pots give me the impression he was spewy or tilted
and im never ever folding here (he had already 3 bet me *twice so a lot of pairs higher than 6 are out of his range)

Last edited by rconnolly89; 08-27-2009 at 08:55 AM. Reason: not once
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08-27-2009 , 09:06 AM
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villain lol?
lol

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and im never ever folding here (he had already 3 bet me *twice so a lot of pairs higher than 6 are out of his range)
you kinda left that out. If you think he's spewing then let him spew, what's the point of shoving?
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08-27-2009 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by NUXX

you kinda left that out. If you think he's spewing then let him spew, what's the point of shoving?
he could be bluffing but he could vbetting a worse 6 and if a queen or something comes on the river it kills the action

and ive always found it hard to determine when to shove for protection and when to call to let villain continue bluffing
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08-27-2009 , 10:08 AM
Anyone get away from this? Villain has been 3betting a ton so A3 is probably the only 2pair in his range...33 the only set... anyone prefer flat calling flop?


No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (2 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) ($276)
BB ($249)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 2, 5
Hero bets $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($8) 3, 9, A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6, BB raises $22, Hero raises $56, BB raises $223 (All-In), Hero calls $183

Turn: ($498) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($498) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $498


Standard cooler right?

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Hero (SB) ($200)
BB ($548.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 2, J
Hero bets $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($8) 9, 8, K (2 players)
BB bets $6, Hero calls $6

Turn: ($20) K (2 players)
BB bets $14, Hero raises $48, BB raises $524.50 (All-In), Hero calls $142 (All-In)

River: ($400) 9 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $400
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08-27-2009 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by NUXX
Before this hand i got a runner two pair where he checks down A/10 on 2 10 Q 5 K. I think it tilted him, does that make this a call?

Yes imo
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08-28-2009 , 03:39 PM
7game, but this is the first action hand of holdem, and playing stud hi he seemed good. villian had 10 8, im pretty sure i played this good but wasn't his play pretty spewy here?

Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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BTN/SB: $24.25
Hero (BB): $25.60

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with 7 J
BTN/SB raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.50) T 5 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $1.25, Hero raises to $4, BTN/SB calls $2.75

Turn: ($9.50) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $7.25, BTN/SB raises to $19.50 all in, Hero calls $12.25

River: ($48.50) K (2 players - 1 is all in)
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08-29-2009 , 12:33 PM
Villain was folding to most of my cbets but was calling quite loose on button. He hasn't raised me before postflop.


Full Tilt Poker $22 + $1 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BB): t1510 M = 20.13
BTN/SB: t1490 M = 19.87

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is BB with A A
BTN/SB calls t25, Hero raises to t100, BTN/SB calls t50

Flop: (t200) 2 Q 7 (2 players)
Hero bets t130, BTN/SB calls t130

Turn: (t460) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets t310, BTN/SB raises to t1260 all in, Hero folds?
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08-29-2009 , 01:14 PM
i dont fold the AA, he'll have a decent amount of onepair hands in his range
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08-29-2009 , 05:39 PM
ok fishy question: what is the bottom of your calling range in cash with pp versus a std 3b (lets say i make it 12 he 3b to 40) and from how deep can i start calling pp (deep in bb)

thanks,
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08-30-2009 , 03:23 AM
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
SB ($66.50)
Hero (BB) ($72.60)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 2 players) Hero is BB Q Q
SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $2, SB calls $1.50

Flop: 7 6 8 ($4, 2 players)
Hero bets $4, SB raises to $8, Hero raises to $21, SB calls $13

Turn: 7 ($46, 2 players)
[color="#cc0000"][b]Hero ??
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08-30-2009 , 05:05 AM
fold flop
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08-30-2009 , 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by sinopsychoV
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
SB ($66.50)
Hero (BB) ($72.60)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 2 players) Hero is BB Q Q
SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $2, SB calls $1.50

Flop: 7 6 8 ($4, 2 players)
Hero bets $4, SB raises to $8, Hero raises to $21, SB calls $13

Turn: 7 ($46, 2 players)
[color="#cc0000"][b]Hero ??
You can prob fold QQ and JJ here and not be giving up much against a straightforward player. I'd go with TT, 99 (redraws), AA and KK. I think the main problem is that I don't like donking this flop for a PSB with this hand UNLESS you can safely fold to his raise (i.e. you know he will just call with all his one-pair+draw hands).
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08-31-2009 , 05:46 PM
I have no idea where hands go anymore lol.. feel like ima get chewed out in the LC thread and the HUSNG thread so i'm posting hands here for now on

Wondering if folds on these 2 flops are standard against weak/tight fish who are taking shots at a higher stake then they are used to.

Vs this villian, we have played about 20 hands and he has only won 4. I have been taking them all down by limp. stabbing and he basically has limped every button and has no desire in raising or taking down any pot with a mediocre hand.

These 2 hands happened basically back to back, but the same applied for both.
I feel as tho I am behind, with good draws, and bad odds. IMO easy folds considering I have such an edge.
Also should I fold either of these hands preflop?..villian happened to never raise preflop and his 4x-5x raise pre seem like my 2 wholecards on each hand are somewhat dominated..rite?


Poker Stars $50.00+$2.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BB): t2014 M = 44.76
BTN/SB: t986 M = 21.91

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BB with A T
BTN/SB raises to t120, Hero calls t90

Flop: (t240) 9 Q J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t240, Hero folds


Poker Stars $50.00+$2.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BB): t1924 M = 42.76
BTN/SB: t1076 M = 23.91

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BB with Q K
BTN/SB raises to t150, Hero calls t120

Flop: (t300) Q T A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t300, Hero folds
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09-01-2009 , 02:40 AM
What to you guys think about the bet sizing. I have no reads about the villain so far. It's the 5th hand of the match.


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Hero (BB) (t1545)
SB (t1455)


Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, 9
SB bets t120, Hero raises to t400
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