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08-19-2009 , 09:35 PM
This seems so elementary but I can't help but think there's a better way to play this

I have 99 in the SB, blinds 10/20 effective stack 1450, 6th hand and no reads on villain other than he's not a TOTAL spewtard.

I raise to 60, villain 3-bets to 200

Villain has limped all three buttons to this point. My other two buttons I folded once and raised once, and he folded.
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08-19-2009 , 09:40 PM
So how much credit does everyone give the "turn c/r + river timebank --> shove" line?
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08-19-2009 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jr4284
So how much credit does everyone give the "turn c/r + river timebank --> shove" line?
more info needed

in general though turn c/r is usually pretty strong, regardless of the river shove
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08-19-2009 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Insane_Steve
more info needed

in general though turn c/r is usually pretty strong, regardless of the river shove
Yeah, I just tend to give that line a LOT of credit and fold to it probably like 80%+. Feel like taking it on boards that are tough to call w/o top 2+ where river shove ~pot, this is a really, really good bluff line. I've used it a little w/ success so far, but it's a very limited sample size, so I was fishing for some feedback.


E.g.:
Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN/SB: $50.25
Hero (BB): $52.10

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with XX
BTN/SB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($3.00) 8 9 K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

Turn: ($8.00) A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $5, Hero raises to $14, BTN/SB calls $9

River: ($36.00) 4 (2 players)
Hero requests TIME, Hero bets $34.10 all in
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08-20-2009 , 05:06 AM
Thanks for this thread guys, i'm just getting into HU sngs and this thread is very instructive to me!

Will post results for evaluation when i reach my 100 matches goal.
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08-20-2009 , 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by badboyboogie0
fire turn bigger (280/300) to protect/get value.
and i prefer c/c river. but it may be villain dependent.
When he calls the check raise on the flop after betting really small it is not a K! so it is most likely a draw (spade flush draw or 34 or 54) and sometime second pair (huh !?). The 3 of spade is about the worst card in the deck! I'll bet less on the turn and c/c the river depending on the bet size and the opponent.
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08-20-2009 , 11:49 AM
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Villian is a big donk avg stakes of $9 but that doesn't really mean anything in this instance.
I flop the nuts, well the scary nuts, and need a line check on my bet sizing.

fwiw I think my bet sizing is bad but I'm just too much of a nit to bet smaller on the turn for value and see the river go 4flush.


Poker Stars $50.00+$2.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN/SB): t1450 M = 48.33
BB: t1550 M = 51.67

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with 9 7
Hero raises to t60, BB calls t40

Flop: (t120) 8 T J (2 players)
BB bets t60, Hero raises to t240, BB calls t180

Turn: (t600) A (2 players)
BB bets t100, Hero raises to t800
I make it close to pot on the turn and not entirely commit myself. If you think he's not going anywhere might as well shove because now you did commit.
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08-20-2009 , 12:07 PM
I'd appreciate an answer to my question (previous page)
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08-20-2009 , 09:43 PM
seems like were all SNG players posting sorry loveishell haha

but your welcome for the bump!
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08-21-2009 , 03:55 AM
Villain bought in for $160, from his play, clearly not a reg.

I'd characterise his abilities as somewhere between decent and a fish.

When he calls me on the flop, I think he either has a pair or an ace.

I bet the ten on the turn as a scare card, hoping it would make him lay down 2nd or 3rd pair. When he calls that, I think his most likely holdings are indeed 2nd or 3rd pair on the flop.

On the river, I read his bet as a blocker bet and think indeed he almost certainly has a pair but not top pair and I view the river card as enabling me to rep the flush and the straight with my push.


Full Tilt Poker $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN/SB): $488.00
BB: $208.50

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BTN/SB with J A
Hero raises to $12, BB calls $8

Flop: ($24.00) 2 8 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $16, BB calls $16

Turn: ($56.00) T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $36, BB calls $36

River: ($128.00) 5 (2 players)
BB bets $44, Hero raises to $144.50, BB folds

Last edited by PokerChamp; 08-21-2009 at 04:12 AM.
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08-21-2009 , 04:40 AM
I don't think T is such a good card to double barrel since it usually helps villains range depending on his OOP range. River is risky but I like it. I never have the guts to pull the trigger. You don't need to show he folded
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08-21-2009 , 04:48 AM
6.25 HUSNG even stack sizes
10/20 blinds 5 hands in I've 3 bet once villian folded. V raises every button so far.
hero is BB with AQsuited

V raises to 50

hero raises to 180

Villian shoves.

???

Last edited by doug1616; 08-21-2009 at 04:51 AM. Reason: adding stack sizez
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08-21-2009 , 05:05 AM
call
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08-21-2009 , 05:11 AM
I'm pretty sure this one was fine, but I just got my ass pounded like it hasn't gotten pounded in a while. This is about the 300th hand into the match. Villain is a thinking player, but makes some poor adjustments and has some flaws...specifically, he calls down way too light. This could be due to the fact that the first hand of the match i made a pretty advanced play on him in which i turned a made hand into a bluff because his range was pretty wide, and could only stand a raise with about 15% of the hands he could possibly have....and showed up with one. Thus, he viewed me as somewhat maniacal considering that to him it looked like i shoved top pair weak kicker for value. Since then, he coolered me a few times, and caught me barreling 3 or 4 times by calling 2 bets with very weak made hands. He knew I was frustrated and was patiently waiting for a spot to get my money in against him when I thought my golden ticket arrived. Can anyone find a fold here?


Full Tilt Poker $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN/SB): $64.10
BB: $167.25

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN/SB with 8 9
Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3.00) 7 J 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.00, BB calls $2

Turn: ($7.00) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($7.00) T (2 players)
BB bets $7.00, Hero raises to $28, BB raises to $91, Hero calls $32.60 all in
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08-21-2009 , 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by LoveisHell
I don't think T is such a good card to double barrel since it usually helps villains range depending on his OOP range. River is risky but I like it. I never have the guts to pull the trigger. You don't need to show he folded

I kinda agree with you that a T is a bad card to barrel, but I think you only took it so far. I would barrel this type of villain all day long if he was full stacked as there are going to be a ton of rivers that you can fire the third...however, considering that he only had 50 bbs, this is not an option. As far as river is concerned, I'm shoving this every time against this type of opponent.
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08-21-2009 , 05:21 AM
Literally the first hand of the match vs. a Gold Star. So no reads yet but obv. a Gold Star who buys in for the full $400 I need to give more credit to than a Bronze Star who buys in for $144.50.


Poker Stars $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN/SB): $701.60
BB: $404.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BTN/SB with J A
Hero raises to $12, BB raises to $36, Hero calls $24

Flop: ($72.00) T Q 3 (2 players)
BB bets $4, Hero calls $4

Turn: ($80.00) A (2 players)
BB bets $40, Hero calls $40

River: ($160.00) 5 (2 players)
BB bets $78, Hero calls $78


What am I beating on the river that's led out for $78?
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08-21-2009 , 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerChamp
Literally the first hand of the match vs. a Gold Star. So no reads yet but obv. a Gold Star who buys in for the full $400 I need to give more credit to than a Bronze Star who buys in for $144.50.


Poker Stars $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN/SB): $701.60
BB: $404.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BTN/SB with J A
Hero raises to $12, BB raises to $36, Hero calls $24

Flop: ($72.00) T Q 3 (2 players)
BB bets $4, Hero calls $4

Turn: ($80.00) A (2 players)
BB bets $40, Hero calls $40

River: ($160.00) 5 (2 players)
BB bets $78, Hero calls $78


What am I beating on the river that's led out for $78?
Meh, I think that the info that you gain plus the times that you are good make this call fine.
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08-21-2009 , 07:04 PM
Thanks for the thread Lamdun btw.

Sixth hand of the match. No reads.
Good or bad?

Poker Stars $11.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 247600
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

BB: t1500 M = 50
Hero (BTN/SB): t1500 M = 50

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with J T
Hero raises to t60, BB raises to t300, Hero calls t240

Flop: (t600) Q 8 4 (2 players)
BB bets t1200 all in, Hero calls t1200 all in

Turn: (t3000) 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t3000) 3 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Spoiler:

Final Pot: t3000
BB shows 9 K (high card King)
Hero shows J T (high card Queen)
BB wins t3000

Last edited by RayJing; 08-21-2009 at 07:29 PM.
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08-21-2009 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnybeef
I'm pretty sure this one was fine, but I just got my ass pounded like it hasn't gotten pounded in a while. This is about the 300th hand into the match. Villain is a thinking player, but makes some poor adjustments and has some flaws...specifically, he calls down way too light. This could be due to the fact that the first hand of the match i made a pretty advanced play on him in which i turned a made hand into a bluff because his range was pretty wide, and could only stand a raise with about 15% of the hands he could possibly have....and showed up with one. Thus, he viewed me as somewhat maniacal considering that to him it looked like i shoved top pair weak kicker for value. Since then, he coolered me a few times, and caught me barreling 3 or 4 times by calling 2 bets with very weak made hands. He knew I was frustrated and was patiently waiting for a spot to get my money in against him when I thought my golden ticket arrived. Can anyone find a fold here?


Full Tilt Poker $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN/SB): $64.10
BB: $167.25

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN/SB with 8 9
Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3.00) 7 J 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.00, BB calls $2

Turn: ($7.00) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($7.00) T (2 players)
BB bets $7.00, Hero raises to $28, BB raises to $91, Hero calls $32.60 all in
...you called?
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08-21-2009 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnybeef
I'm pretty sure this one was fine, but I just got my ass pounded like it hasn't gotten pounded in a while. This is about the 300th hand into the match. Villain is a thinking player, but makes some poor adjustments and has some flaws...specifically, he calls down way too light. This could be due to the fact that the first hand of the match i made a pretty advanced play on him in which i turned a made hand into a bluff because his range was pretty wide, and could only stand a raise with about 15% of the hands he could possibly have....and showed up with one. Thus, he viewed me as somewhat maniacal considering that to him it looked like i shoved top pair weak kicker for value. Since then, he coolered me a few times, and caught me barreling 3 or 4 times by calling 2 bets with very weak made hands. He knew I was frustrated and was patiently waiting for a spot to get my money in against him when I thought my golden ticket arrived. Can anyone find a fold here?


Full Tilt Poker $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN/SB): $64.10
BB: $167.25

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN/SB with 8 9
Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3.00) 7 J 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.00, BB calls $2

Turn: ($7.00) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($7.00) T (2 players)
BB bets $7.00, Hero raises to $28, BB raises to $91, Hero calls $32.60 all in

Looks like a cooler unfortunately. Once you've made it 28, can u really fold for $32.60 more with 3rd nuts HU?
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08-22-2009 , 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by RayJing
Thanks for the thread Lamdun btw.

Sixth hand of the match. No reads.
Good or bad?
I think calling a huge 3-bet pre with JTs is bad even IP when you're readless.
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08-22-2009 , 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by RayJing
Thanks for the thread Lamdun btw.

Sixth hand of the match. No reads.
Good or bad?

Poker Stars $11.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 247600
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

BB: t1500 M = 50
Hero (BTN/SB): t1500 M = 50

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with J T
Hero raises to t60, BB raises to t300, Hero calls t240

Flop: (t600) Q 8 4 (2 players)
BB bets t1200 all in, Hero calls t1200 all in

Turn: (t3000) 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t3000) 3 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Spoiler:

Final Pot: t3000
BB shows 9 K (high card King)
Hero shows J T (high card Queen)
BB wins t3000
Yea flop is fine, pre is not.
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08-24-2009 , 02:55 AM
Villain is agro winning reg. He was 3betting me a lot so I switched to minraising Btn. I haven't seen him bluffshoving river yet.
Any other way to play it?

Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN/SB): $200.00
BB: $424.60

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN/SB with 6 T
Hero raises to $4, BB calls $2

Flop: ($8.00) T 2 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6, BB raises to $20, Hero calls $14

Turn: ($48.00) 7 (2 players)
BB bets $40, Hero calls $40

River: ($128.00) J (2 players)
BB bets $136, Hero folds

Final Pot: $128.00
BB wins $127.50
(Rake: $0.50)
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08-24-2009 , 03:07 AM
Villain is agro winning reg. What's his range here? Is it shove or fold? If I call I expect him to continue agression on turn and river with all his range.

Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
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Hero (BB): $236.00
BTN/SB: $457.20

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with J J
BTN/SB raises to $6, Hero raises to $20, BTN/SB calls $14

Flop: ($40.00) 9 K 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $24, BTN/SB raises to $64, Hero ?
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08-24-2009 , 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by OMSDON
Villain is agro winning reg. What's his range here? Is it shove or fold? If I call I expect him to continue agression on turn and river with all his range.

Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BB): $236.00
BTN/SB: $457.20

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with J J
BTN/SB raises to $6, Hero raises to $20, BTN/SB calls $14

Flop: ($40.00) 9 K 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $24, BTN/SB raises to $64, Hero ?
I call flop and call turn. River it depends; there are a LOT of straight draws out there imo and it isn't like he can 3-barrel you with impunity when you have a ton of Ks in your range.
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