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NL50 Zoom: Bluffcatching in 3bp vs reg NL50 Zoom: Bluffcatching in 3bp vs reg

02-09-2015 , 10:28 AM
Villain is opening 94% of his buttons and is folding way too much against my 3bets so far. ( 68% over 2.5k hands, 4b 7%) so his range isn't that wide. I can x/c or bet the turn but decided to go for the x/c, x/c most of the rivers line. Any suggestions? Other lines? Betsizes?

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 133.3 BB (VPIP: 77.73, PFR: 56.03, 3Bet Preflop: 16.34, Hands: 2,584)
Hero (BB): 190 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T K

SB raises to 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 9.5 BB, SB calls 7 BB

Flop: (19 BB, 2 players) T 2 5
Hero bets 10.52 BB, SB calls 10.52 BB

Turn: (40.04 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, SB bets 21.5 BB, Hero calls 21.5 BB

River: (83.04 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, SB bets 91.78 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 91.78 BB
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02-09-2015 , 10:36 AM
I would raise to 8bb pre. Mix turn imo. I'm folding without additional reads.
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02-09-2015 , 08:21 PM
ppl like that are usually too weak to vbet thin like that, so you should probably call, the question is if he isn't too weak to ever bluff like that. If you have 2,5k hands you should have some additional reads other than what you wrote, use them.

Btw 68% isnt that much, I've seen some people folding >75% over >1k hands at nl50 zoom
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02-12-2015 , 01:23 AM
Sorry to go OT. But, coming from someone that doesn't play stars, what is the point in heads up zoom? At 6 max it kind of makes sense, since you can be sitting there waiting for others to finish a hand at reg tables. But, HU, any time you are done with a hand, you are starting the next hand anyways.
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02-12-2015 , 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by JudgeHoldem1848
I would raise to 8bb pre. Mix turn imo. I'm folding without additional reads.
And that is why you were and still? are one of the worst 'regs' i have ever came across. Gg.
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02-12-2015 , 05:14 AM
Thats why someone who claims to be one of the "best in the world" sat me out at NL50 repeatedly, and that after creating an entire thread about it rofl. Always some excuse, huh Dan?

If you won't even battle NL50 how can anyone take you seriously, other than as a potential bottom *****.
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02-12-2015 , 06:05 AM
Oh wow! L O L !!!

And he denied me playing at NL50. You are so pathetic, kingdmer. You can sniff MY @$$hole.
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02-12-2015 , 06:11 AM
Yeah he serially lies his *** off, posts trimmed bumhunting graphs, implies he's crushing zoom when he hardly plays it etc. That's why PD blows his rotted carcass off the beach every time . Can't believe his d*** hugging fan club even tried to step to raw power, lol. Epic burn.
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02-12-2015 , 07:10 AM
lol
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02-18-2015 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Hendrix2323
Sorry to go OT. But, coming from someone that doesn't play stars, what is the point in heads up zoom? At 6 max it kind of makes sense, since you can be sitting there waiting for others to finish a hand at reg tables. But, HU, any time you are done with a hand, you are starting the next hand anyways.
I have always kinda thought this as a US player I have only sweated people playing HU zoom does anyone actually win bigger at zoom versus the lobby? I would think it takes so much out of the HU dynamic etc.
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02-24-2015 , 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by donkology101
I have always kinda thought this as a US player I have only sweated people playing HU zoom does anyone actually win bigger at zoom versus the lobby? I would think it takes so much out of the HU dynamic etc.
I think the advantage that most people see is that with Zoom you know you can get decent volume, not playing for like 18 hands and be sat out on all the freakin' time.
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02-27-2015 , 03:00 PM
Back on topic;

I think we ought to bet flop a bit bigger, and I don't hate a check-call on the turn with the right read but betting flop and turn would surely be my default.

On the river, as played, I think you probably have to call. It seems close, but after you slow down on the turn you capped your range enough to induce river bluffs with busted draws I think. And random floats may bet the riv because your line could look like a busted draw or weak showdown value.

If villain is capable of floating, and/or bluffing then id say we have to check and call the river once we check and call the turn.

He wouldn't seem to have worse hands that he bets for value but I would expect to see a tiny few second best value hands and enough bluffs to justify the call given the pot odds.

call and expect to usually lose IMHO
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03-01-2015 , 05:11 AM
I'd generally just go ahead and bomb the turn as well, sizing is fine (I'd go anywhere between 10-13bb) as played river is a trivial fold I think (without reads) having said that what's his fold to 3bet%? Fold to cbet in 3b pots? You got 2.5k hands so you may as well use them.
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03-01-2015 , 07:04 AM
both around 68%

I think it heavily depends on how he would play his hands where he can shove for thin value like 65s, 54s and his sets and how he would play his busted A high FDs (if he thinks he has some showdown against weaker draws he will check behind at least some of his A-high FD). AT should check behind this river most of the time I guess.

So he should only have one combo of 78 (of hearts) and some A3s (and he won't bet all of the time on the turn).

And he will have the busted FDs but we can also discount a few of the time because he would raise some of them OTF (lets say AJhh, KQhh) and call the rest (KhJh,QhJh,Kh9h,Qh9h,Jh9h,Kh8h,Qh8h,Jh8h,9h8h,Kh7h ) + he won't turn his A-High busted FDs into a bluff 100% of the time...

Well I'm not sure at all but it seems to be close and I won't make a big mistake by calling here
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03-02-2015 , 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Kristalle
AT should check behind this river most of the time I guess.
What makes you think so?
villain have 68% f3b and 68% f3b in 3b. That means he will play ABC
He also have JJ-AA sometimes.
If you follow in your conclusion you should fold here
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03-02-2015 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Donovan
Back on topic;
call and expect to usually lose IMHO
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03-03-2015 , 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by SoftSoul
What makes you think so?
That means he will play ABC
I assume AT would be too thin for most ABC-Players. Furthermore he won't have that many JJ-AA in his range since he's ABC
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03-03-2015 , 08:30 AM
I think he flat calls his stronger draws a decent amount given stack sizes. Also I think your forgetting villain should definetely be shoving all their sets/2pair hands - I almost most feel like it's really difficult for us to show up with a really strong hand here (top of our hand range is JJ+ and some A10/K10 etc hands, with some busted flush draws which obviously can't take any heat.)

With that said I think I probably fold vs him. I think we get shown sets/2pr/straights way more often than flush draws/weaker 10x hands
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03-03-2015 , 05:33 PM
Would betting the turn and river set set villain up to get jammed on almost every time given stack size of villain at the river?

Watching lots of vids lately and have concluded that many rather bet/fold most rivers opposed to getting in a spot like this. I know this thought process is being used lightly here but could we apply in this situation?
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03-04-2015 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by partywme
I think we get shown sets/2pr/straights way more often than flush draws/weaker 10x hands
sure but it depends how much more exactly. i am close to top of my range in this spot and i gotta call sometimes so KT is probably a good start here
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