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Old 08-06-2012, 03:57 PM   #1
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NL50 tough spot vs reg

Villain is reg, i haven't played with him b4. In the match I was the aggressor for the most part. His stats were 67/55/1.5/11.3. He knows that I can fold in this spot from earlier hands but I am not sure he would exploit this fact. He would def do this w a hand like TJss but that's only one combo. He can also c/r and bet turn w hands like AQ/AJ (he flatted w these type of hands) but i am not sure he would shove turn w those after i raise him.

Here's a hand I saw from him some hands earlier in the game:

    Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    BB: $50.50 (101 bb)
    Hero (SB): $137.81 (275.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with A 9
    Hero raises to $1.25, BB calls $0.75

    Flop: ($2.50) 8 6 7 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $1.79, BB raises to $6, Hero calls $4.21

    Turn: ($14.50) A (2 players)
    BB bets $8.40, Hero calls $8.40

    River: ($31.30) 3 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks

    Results: $31.30 pot ($0.50 rake)
    Final Board: 8 6 7 A 3
    BB showed 5 Q and lost (-$15.65 net)
    Hero showed A 9 and won $30.80 ($15.15 net)



    Here's the actual hand:

      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BB: $90.19 (180.4 bb)
      Hero (SB): $124.31 (248.6 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 8 9
      Hero raises to $1.25, BB calls $0.75

      Flop: ($2.50) 8 5 A (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $1.79, BB raises to $6, Hero calls $4.21

      Turn: ($14.50) 9 (2 players)
      BB bets $10.50, Hero raises to $28, BB raises to $82.94 and is all-in, Hero ????



      So what do you do here?
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      Old 08-06-2012, 05:58 PM   #2
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      Re: NL50 tough spot vs reg

      Just call the turn.
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      Old 08-06-2012, 06:04 PM   #3
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      Re: NL50 tough spot vs reg

      As played
      you ahead of JTs, 7Ts,TQs,TKs AT-AQ
      And behind A5, A8, A9, sets, 67
      Dunno if he would shove with sets/straight but maybe he would
      Dunno if he would shove AT-AQ
      It look like a huge draw/twopairs better than yours
      Supossing it is OESD + FD
      he got 32% on the river

      so (0.68 x 124) - (0.32 x 55) = ev +67 +-
      but when he has twopairs your dead.
      Balancing that i think the best decision is the fold
      But calling is ok too, since when you calling your collecting info too
      Actually i think im calling much more than folding here
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      Old 08-06-2012, 06:06 PM   #4
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      Re: NL50 tough spot vs reg

      Calling turn i think its better since you can just fold if the board get strange, and also get value from barreling bluff
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      Old 08-06-2012, 06:31 PM   #5
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      Just call the turn.
      Which river cards would you fold then ? (assuming that on the flop our read was that he is c/r most likely w a draw)
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      Old 08-07-2012, 02:01 AM   #6
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      Re: NL50 tough spot vs reg

      +1 for calling turn. You guys are almost 200 BB deep, makes the hand way easier to play because of this exact spot. Let's him continue to barrel his bluffs and his AQ/J etc.

      As for rivers that we are folding- well the gross cards are any spade, 6, 7, or A. But that doesn't mean I'd always fold those. Would depend on his bet size and any other reads on him that you have.
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      Old 08-07-2012, 10:14 AM   #7
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      Re: NL50 tough spot vs reg

      I think you have to just call turn this deep. A point can be made where jamming turn is fine if you were 100bb deep to start the hand with.
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      Old 08-07-2012, 10:51 AM   #8
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      Re: NL50 tough spot vs reg

      thanks for the opinions! Yes i should have just called turn. I realised this after he shoved and I used all my time bank and made a crying call

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      Old 08-10-2012, 03:44 AM   #9
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      Re: NL50 tough spot vs reg

      I think folding here would be a mistake. I agree with the other advice that flatting turn is better, allows him to continue barreling a FD, At+, and JT. You really don't lose to that much in his preflop calling range: just A5, A8, 67 and 55 I guess. Of those I'd think that 67 and A5 are the most likely, and even those I'd expect him to 3bet some of the time if they're suited as well. I'd flat turn and call any river that isn't a spade, 7, or Q unless he absolutely mashes the pot, in which case your read that he's prob not triple barrel bluffing his ass off is more important than the fact that you're holding 2-pair. fwiw I would think that a 5, A, or 6 are actually good cards for you, because then there are less combos of A5 and 67.
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      Old 08-10-2012, 03:54 AM   #10
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      Re: NL50 tough spot vs reg

      Important to note his bet size is bigger when he actually has a hand
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      Old 08-10-2012, 06:46 AM   #11
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      Re: NL50 tough spot vs reg

      Flop initial bet seems bad, calling the ch/r seems worse.
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      Old 08-10-2012, 07:13 AM   #12
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      Flop initial bet seems bad, calling the ch/r seems worse.
      i actually thought i could garner some insight into your thought process til i realized after your post that you were completely clueless.
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      Old 08-10-2012, 07:23 AM   #13
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      Re: NL50 tough spot vs reg

      lol apparently you're not familiar with my HUNL posts. Regardless I'm glad you're spending so much time going through my 1-line comments on 50nl HU hands that I make while getting dressed in the morning to get sick readz on me though. Here's a thought, maybe spend some time fixing the obvious leaks in your game first? I have no problem admitting I suck, you just suck more
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      Old 08-11-2012, 01:51 AM   #14
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      Re: NL50 tough spot vs reg

      ^ zach, ofc you should cbet this flop some % of the time w/ this particular hand, and when you do so you should def call the c/r, given history n stuff. checking back flop is fine, too, obv.

      you guys just need to get this hu4rollz done, i can literally feel the tension
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